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Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by ivanbakel »

cryptoz wrote: post #27
saltedonion wrote: post #19

I’m confused. So YC kicked out the guy who complained about it on Twitter and not the people who advocated for lying to skip lines? Wtf?

I'm also confused. But it seems like the tweet in question is a false story that could be libel/defamation or something? He later issues a 'correction' (why not delete the original wrong tweet?) that says that the story about "advocating for lying to skip lines" is false. [1] I don't have any part of this and I'm confused and don't know what's going on here. But it does not seem like the tweet everyone is focusing on…

>But it does not seem like the tweet everyone is focusing on was even true. So the story becomes possibly, that YC kicked someone out for spreading lies about people in their internal community? I don't know.

It's still partially true - the allegation of lying was wrong, but the allegation of instructing others how to lie is still being made. This is clarified by the tweet that you linked.

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by [deleted] »

cryptoz wrote: post #27
saltedonion wrote: post #19

I’m confused. So YC kicked out the guy who complained about it on Twitter and not the people who advocated for lying to skip lines? Wtf?

I'm also confused. But it seems like the tweet in question is a false story that could be libel/defamation or something? He later issues a 'correction' (why not delete the original wrong tweet?) that says that the story about "advocating for lying to skip lines" is false. [1] I don't have any part of this and I'm confused and don't know what's going on here. But it does not seem like the tweet everyone is focusing on…

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Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by istorical »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #13
pokstad wrote: post #4

I’m also surprised how many people bragged about jumping ahead in line when elderly people with much higher mortality rates were still waiting for theirs. At least keep it to yourself.

Agreed. When eligibility opened up, we drove 100 miles just to avoid potentially taking doses from people at risk in the metro area. Seemed like a good excuse to get out of the house for a road trip, as well as being the right thing to do. We were able to schedule immediate appointments in an adjacent county populated by hardcore Trumpers. Upon arriving at the drive-through vaccination site, there was only one other…

We don't have full information about this story though. It may well be the case that the YC founder called out for lying about his qualifications for the vaccine was at a vaccination location where there were zero lines and poor community uptake of the vaccine. Idle doses sitting around doing nothing. At this point, the US has so many extra doses that it is shipping millions overseas. Depending on the location and timing of the founder who lied, he may be ethically doing a moral good by reducing his own potential to transmit the virus amidst a population of people who refuse to get inoculated anyway.

My point is only, it's sometimes dangerous to throw stones without asking questions or getting the full picture first. Taking doses when you aren't qualified for them is overall a bad thing I think we can all agree.

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by whymauri »

saltedonion wrote: post #19

I’m confused. So YC kicked out the guy who complained about it on Twitter and not the people who advocated for lying to skip lines? Wtf?

I'm guessing it goes like this:

1. Skipping vaccine line and talking about it is not actually against BookFace/YC ToS, or it would be a stretch to apply ToS.

2. Publicly talking about matters inside the private group is against ToS since it breaches privacy. In a way that paints the group negatively, nonetheless.

Pretty straightforward. It doesn't really matter *to YC* whether anyone skipped a line or not, what matters are private forum matters getting blasted to hundreds (thousands?) of Twitter users.

Edit: before you get angry, I'm presenting this from the most plausible perspective of YC, not my own feelings on the matter (which are irrelevant).

Edit2: what are people seeing that I'm not seeing here? Clearly I'm missing something, because wow I've never gotten piled on like this on HN.

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by chillacy »

ezekg wrote: post #31
rafaelero wrote: post #18

It's a bit distressing how organizations try so hard to keep a good reputation all the time. I mean, is it really that bad to publically admit that you are composed of people with questionable morals? For example, in the first company I used to work, I was always bitching about how things could improve. I got fired because I was "bringing the moral down" and was "working against the company". I could see why they wou…

People don't know how to disagree anymore. It's disheartening, because I like a good disagreement and the deep debates that can come out of them ... that is, as long as the conversation is void of emotional temper-tantrums (and in a lot of cases these days, fear of cancel-culture.)

What I find interesting is that Dale Carnegie published How to Win Friends and Influence People in 1936 covering this topic. Maybe that was the "beginning of the trend"... not really sure.

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by pton-throw »

H8crilA wrote: post #29
pton-throw wrote: post #15

When did public denunciations become popular in the US? I know they've been a part of the Chinese internet since the early days. It wasn't always so intense in the US.

This is getting off-topic, but the US is like the motherland of telling other people how they should behave. Look up any of the "public freakout" videos, they're 80% each side trying to explain why what the other side did was wrong, all the while not realizing that pretty much nobody cares about their opinion and is just there to watch the drama for a few minutes. Every single "Karen" video is full of self-righteousn…

That's all true.

But US internet culture has changed dramatically in the past few years. And it's not just "eternal September".

I miss the early years. There are still vestiges left. Some public intellectuals still respond to unsolicited email from strangers.

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by nailer »

plusbryan wrote: post #22

This is really distressing, especially considering the ongoing public behavior of the original founder. Kicking out Paul seems like the opposite reaction for YC to have. It would be helpful to hear a public comment from them about this situation.

He seems to have not advocated lying though just showing up:

https://www.reddit.com/r/oakland/comments/m4bqx9/comment/gqu...

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by version_five »

etc-hosts wrote: post #34

I hope Paul Graham takes a principled stand and tweets his support for Biggar. https://twitter.com/search?q=from%3Apaulg%20%22cancel%20cult...

Is Paul B getting kicked out the same thing as "cancel culture"? It seems like he's violated a rule of a voluntary group he was in, and was kicked out of that group. I know its subjective, but I don't think that's "being cancelled" in the sense that it's usually used. Its more like if you lost your diving license for speeding.

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by gotoeleven »

ezekg wrote: post #31
rafaelero wrote: post #18

It's a bit distressing how organizations try so hard to keep a good reputation all the time. I mean, is it really that bad to publically admit that you are composed of people with questionable morals? For example, in the first company I used to work, I was always bitching about how things could improve. I got fired because I was "bringing the moral down" and was "working against the company". I could see why they wou…

People don't know how to disagree anymore. It's disheartening, because I like a good disagreement and the deep debates that can come out of them ... that is, as long as the conversation is void of emotional temper-tantrums (and in a lot of cases these days, fear of cancel-culture.)

Sorry buddy but if you don't accept my truth and also check your privilege and agree that hearing things I don't agree with causes me harm, how could we possibly discuss anything?
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