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Re: Major ISPs agree to "six strikes" copyright enforcement plan

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Post by kijinbear » Fri, Jul 08, 2011, 3:08 PM UTC

NoPiece wrote: post #37

kijinbear wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the case of individual countries, it's often construed as a constitutional right. But in the case of the EU, you're right, it's a human right. Thanks for the correction.

It hasn't prevented the advancement of internet three strike laws in Europe. In fact they are way ahead of the US on that lousy path. Ireland, UK, France, etc... http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/09/france-passe... http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/-three-strikes-isp-di... http://extratorrent.com/article/1124/uk+admitted+%E2%80%9Cth...

Ah, sorry. I meant UN, not EU. The article I linked to in the great-great-grandparent says UN, not EU.

Western Europe sucks. Too much MAFIAA influence there.

Re: Major ISPs agree to "six strikes" copyright enforcement plan

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Post by WalterSear » Fri, Jul 08, 2011, 6:31 PM UTC

qq66 wrote: post #21

navyrain wrote: post #10

Given that these ISPs often have exclusive markets, in which they have no direct competitors, this would effectively deny internet access to anyone who had the misfortune of getting a few of these notices. Lack of judicial oversight is obviously a problem. But furthermore, this really overstates the seriousness of copyright infringement, and understates the importance of internet access for all.

You know, the "misfortune" of getting the fifth notice can be pretty effectively mitigated by stopping file sharing after your fourth notice.* * except in the cases where you're in a botnet

Or you weren't sharing in the first place. I can see 'using more bandwidth than we would like you to' soon being used as prime evidence of illegal activity.

Re: Major ISPs agree to "six strikes" copyright enforcement plan

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Post by kijinbear » Sat, Jul 09, 2011, 2:55 AM UTC

blendergasket wrote: post #35

kijinbear wrote: post #18

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I don't think there's any penalty for false accusations of copyright infringement. Likewise, nobody needs to pay for falsely accusing you of anything unless you sue them for defamation. If your ISP actually cuts off your internet after 6 false accusations, you might want to take them to the courts. EFF will probably love to take on such a suit. Unfortunately, very few people have the financial means or guts to sue th…

I think judges can order the accuser to pay the legal fees of the accused at least.

You'll probably need to win the lawsuit before the judge can order something like that.

Re: Major ISPs agree to "six strikes" copyright enforcement plan

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Post by Adam503 » Sat, Jul 09, 2011, 7:11 AM UTC

I suspect the content owners are going to get a big load of IP addresses from the ISPs and file a big huge pile of criminal charges or civil lawsuits against the people who the ISPs finger. The ISPs will then pretend to act hurt when the content owners violate this agreement.

Give your internet account to a fine business establishment who doesn't do something as ridiculous as trusting Time Warner or Comcast with confidential customer information.

Re: Major ISPs agree to "six strikes" copyright enforcement plan

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Post by Adam503 » Sat, Jul 09, 2011, 7:30 AM UTC

ComputerGuru wrote: post #6

kevingadd wrote: post #5

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Regardless of whether you break the law on a regular basis, having a personal VPS is a very good idea these days. I still regularly run into problems with websites and applications related to geolocation, blacklisting, or routing, and being able to proxy stuff through my VPS enables me to keep getting things done. In particular, if you're a Comcast user a VPS is pretty essential since their routing and peering are aw…

I'm considering purchasing Comcast internet for businesses (not the residential stuff), and am interested in your comments about bad routing and peering. Can you expand on that, please? EDIT: I'm talking about Chicagoland region. Didn't know it was geographic.

Comcast customer service has a resemblance to retail shopping in the old Soviet Union. Ohh... you think it can't possibly be that bad. You get stuck having to take your cable box to a Comcast customer service center. You'll see.