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California Bill to Decriminalize Psychedelics Is Approved by Senate

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Re: California Bill to Decriminalize Psychedelics Is Approved by Senate

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Passed the CA Senate... then it goes on to the CA Assembly for vote. Anyone know the probability that this will make it all the way to becoming law?

Anyone know why states have bicameral legislatures?

I actually have no idea, can you elucidate?

Re: California Bill to Decriminalize Psychedelics Is Approved by Senate

#42
post #22

what part of indulging degeneracy reflects modernity to you?

Are you saying taking psychadelics makes you a degenerate? If so, why do you think so?

Most of the time when people call something "degenerate" it seems like they're making an argument based on the idea that progress depends on self-control and personal sovereignty.

Everything I see labeled that way, psychedelics included, has a reputation of being either a cause of loss of self-control or a consequence of lacking self-control.

If you want to be in the habit of understanding people who use words like that to describe others keeping that frame in mind may make their fears, and emotional reactions easier to understand, even when you disagree with their premise or judgements.

(edit: fix a few typos)

Re: California Bill to Decriminalize Psychedelics Is Approved by Senate

#43

Doesn't california have a massive drug problem and literal armies of drug addicts shitting in the streets and harassing families and tax-payers? How will this help?

No, the area of the country with the biggest drug problem is Appalachia [1]. California is better than most states in terms of drug overdose deaths. And as others have pointed out, psychedelics aren't really the problematic drugs.

[1] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/drug_poisoning_mor...

Re: California Bill to Decriminalize Psychedelics Is Approved by Senate

#44

Doesn't california have a massive drug problem and literal armies of drug addicts shitting in the streets and harassing families and tax-payers? How will this help?

It seems much more likely that the people shitting in the streets are actually people who have nowhere else to shit. That's what happens when you have a lot of homeless people in a very urbanized area and don't do anything to help them except 'kindly' pretend they don't exist.

Re: California Bill to Decriminalize Psychedelics Is Approved by Senate

#45

Probably 95% of people can handle psychedelics. That last 5% are not going to handle psychedelics well. I'm talking about the people on Market and 6th with schizophrenia. If you give someone with schizophrenia mushrooms they will have a total break with reality and might not come back easily. This is going to make the street people of CA even that more crazy.

"That last 5% are not going to handle psychedelics well."

The way this comment is written makes it sound as if 100% of people will be using psychedelics after decriminalization goes into effect.

Re: California Bill to Decriminalize Psychedelics Is Approved by Senate

#47
Pretty cool, I think they way we all talk about psychedelics and drugs in general is harmful and misleading.

I guess we need baby steps but idk if social sharing is enough. A big problem with the current drug world is not getting clean and pure substances and in predictable doses. I didn't see anything about like lsd labs and stores or mdma production being allowed in the bill. Did i miss something about making higher quality drugs more available to regular people?

Re: California Bill to Decriminalize Psychedelics Is Approved by Senate

#48
I strongly support decriminalization, but I'm curious: are people in California getting arrested for the possession of psychedelics for personal use in any real numbers? That is, is this bill going to change anything on the ground, or is it just a step in the right direction?

Re: California Bill to Decriminalize Psychedelics Is Approved by Senate

#49

As someone whose life was very much thrown into turmoil and difficulty for getting caught with a relatively small amount of mushrooms in Texas, to the point that it will soon be a decade and I have not really completely recovered financially or emotionally, and also still blocked from a lot of jobs, news like this is so good but hard to hear on a personal level.

Don't worry, the system is so screwed up that they will continue to ruin people's lives over other infractions instead of producing true justice.

Re: California Bill to Decriminalize Psychedelics Is Approved by Senate

#50

Doesn't california have a massive drug problem and literal armies of drug addicts shitting in the streets and harassing families and tax-payers? How will this help?

All you gotta do is change the metrics, and the study shows a success.

Incarceration rates are easy to tally. "We made something legal, and -- who would have thought -- now we aren't arresting them! What a great success this law is!" Second order effects are more difficult to assess.

That's why my objection to legalizing drugs -- especially psychedelics -- is not based on "evidence".

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