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“ In his 1979 history, The Alcoholic Republic, the historian W. J. Rorabaugh painstakingly calculated the stunning amount of alcohol early Americans drank on a daily basis. In 1830, when American liquor consumption hit its all-time high, the average adult was going through more than nine gallons of spirits each year.” I think I remember hearing a similar stat on the ken burns prohibition doc. I didn’t quite understan…

9 Gallon is 34 Liters, 11 drinks per Liter of Vokda/Liquor

9*11 = 374 drinks per year or 1 drink a day

Its probably that Average/mean drinking amount isn't a good statistical representation when almost all the consumption is done by the top 10% of drinkers.

Historical comparisons also are tricky because sizes and %'s aren't consistent to today. Beer/Cider weren't as strong and bottle's of wine were smaller than 750ml etc etc.

Re: America has a drinking problem

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post #30

I’ve never been much of a drinker, generally preferring soda, sports drinks, or sweet tea to stay hydrated. In my experience, this is unusual. My friends, relatives, etc. all exclusively drink beer when doing yard work, home improvement projects, or hobbies like working on cars. When I’m at the marina, I’m the only one not drinking beer while working on their boat. Maybe all of these people stick exclusively to water…

There's non alcoholic fatty liver disease too.

Re: America has a drinking problem

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The statistics about alcohol consumption are so stunning that I often wonder how accurate they are. If these numbers are correct, the top 10% of alcohol drinkers consume the equivalent of 10 drinks per day : https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/09/25/think... The unit for a single drink is a fixed measurement, so someone pouring a tall glass of wine or a very stiff drink could be consuming 2-5 “drinks” in…

Like everything alcohol consumption is a power law.

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Title is definitely true (america has a drinking problem), in a way. Excessive drinking is normalized, though not as common as problem drinkers think. Since college I always drank too much, but my real issue was that I assumed everybody drank as much as I did (maybe 20-30 drinks per week). Since I wasn't drinking as soon as I woke up or getting shakes without drinking, I thought I was fine. It wasn't until I realized that I drank waaayyy more than most people that I started working on reducing consumption. Thankfully I only drank that much because I just have fun being drunk or enjoy the taste - I've never used alcohol to cope with stress, anxiety, shyness, etc - so it was easy when I decided to go cold turkey for a month. So I'm sharing in hopes that I can help someone else realize they drink too much even if they don't think they do, and that it's totally doable to cut back.

Just in this one month, I've already noticed a huge difference in my life. It's amazing to wake up rested and energetic every day, never having that dread about a hangover, being groggy, or wondering if I did something embarrassing last night. I feel present in everything I do, rather than having my routine and my attention thrown off by alcohol. Saving calories makes my weight more stable and lets me indulge in more food if I want to. I'm saving tons of money, especially at restaurants. I'm already regaining the hyperactivity and excitement towards life and events that I had in grade school before I started drinking, because now I can look forward to stuff other than getting drunk. It feels great to go to parties, restaurants, watch a movie, go on a date, do anything, and not even think about alcohol. For me drinking was fun and easy, but now I've learned that drinking is shallow and comes at way too high of a cost compared compared to the deep joy of living sober and enjoying life for its own sake again.

I wouldn't hesitate to recommend drinking less to anybody who does drink. You don't need to be black and white and think that it's either cold turkey or stay where you are. You don't need to worry about the "benefits" you get from red wine and whatever other stuff people love to talk about. Just try drinking less. Maybe don't drink on weekdays, set a maximum number you can drink in a day, take a 1-day break, take a 1-week break, start drinking lower-percentage drinks, set a maximum number of drinks per week, there are tons of options. I tried them all and over time I was able to consistently reduce how much I drank. I used to have trouble imagining not drinking during a weekend, and now I'm already having trouble imagining wanting to drink more than a few times a month at most.

Alcohol is like junk food or soda. It's fun and it's easy. But life is a lot better if you can break the habit and stop making it part of your life, or at least make it a once-in-a-blue-moon indulgence rather than a regular thing. Learn to love things with deeper and healthier value. If you don't control these things, there's the risk that you'll gradually get worse over time. You don't want to look at yourself in 20 years and realize you gained 50+ lbs and don't recognize yourself because you didn't take the chips or chocolate seriously. You don't want to look at yourself in 20 years and realize you have cirrhosis or heart disease because you didn't tone down the drinking. You don't have to be obese or an alcoholic to benefit from making healthy lifestyle changes.

Re: America has a drinking problem

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post #30

I’ve never been much of a drinker, generally preferring soda, sports drinks, or sweet tea to stay hydrated. In my experience, this is unusual. My friends, relatives, etc. all exclusively drink beer when doing yard work, home improvement projects, or hobbies like working on cars. When I’m at the marina, I’m the only one not drinking beer while working on their boat. Maybe all of these people stick exclusively to water…

You're kind of like me, I simply do not enjoy doing any sort of work in a "buzzed" state so I never day drink at all. Not once have I been working on something in the middle of the day and thought "a beer would make this better" because I find the state to be distracting and the opposite of what coffee does for me in terms of motivation and focus. I spent years in co-working spaces with beer on tap and simply didn't…

This is similar to my experience. I enjoy the state of being drunk so I would get drunk for its own sake, not to make work bearable or something; I could never focus whenever work had an in-office happy hour and went back to work. I actually also quit caffeine for similar reasons; I loved coffee but got distracted whenever I wasn't drinking coffee because I was just looking forward to having more.

Re: America has a drinking problem

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also drink about this much per week. I like a beer or wine or whiskey every now and again, but I've never really seen the point in getting buzzed or drunk (or high for that matter). When I do drink, I only have 1 or 2 at a time, not out of an express desire to stay sober, but because I'm usually pretty naturally satisfied by that amount. For whatever reason, I like sobriety. It's strange to me that people should th…

>as though escaping or distorting reality is inherently preferable. Maybe I equally misunderstand the motives of the heavy drinker? You understand the motives just fine. Reality for many people is some combination of boring, stressful, depressing, etc. So yes, escaping reality is very much preferable to these people. And alcohol and other drugs are very effective at this. To state the obvious, improving your situatio…

> To state the obvious, improving your situation so you don't want to escape reality would be preferable. But that takes a hell of a lot more time, motivation, resources, and effort than just cracking open that next beer.

I would argue this isn't universally true. As I shared in another comment, I recently took a month-long break from drinking. For me it hasn't been difficult, but it's made life seem to explode with excitement and energy, just from taking alcohol out of my life. I think many people would benefit more than they expect just by cutting out alcohol for a month or even just a week.

Re: America has a drinking problem

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The statistics about alcohol consumption are so stunning that I often wonder how accurate they are. If these numbers are correct, the top 10% of alcohol drinkers consume the equivalent of 10 drinks per day : https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/09/25/think... The unit for a single drink is a fixed measurement, so someone pouring a tall glass of wine or a very stiff drink could be consuming 2-5 “drinks” in…

My uncles were 2 bottles of rye a day guys. 10 drinks seems low honestly.
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