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Re: Swiss Covid Certificate – Technical documentation of the swiss Covid certificate

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From the G7 agenda reporting: “ Last Friday morning, during an interview on Good Morning America, U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas said the Biden administration was taking “a very close look” at the possibility of vaccine passports for travel into and out of the United States. However by Friday afternoon the Department of Homeland Security was clarifying Mayorkas’ statement. The DHS says there won’…

The UK has also ruled it out. I wouldn't use one - emigrate or never travel. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/05/30/uk-vaccine-p...

The UK has ruled it out as a solution for large local events and cultural activities, they haven't ruled out vaccine passports in general.

As far as I can tell they're still very much planned for inbound international travel to the UK, and they're already in use for outbound international travel - the NHS app is accepted as proof of vaccination status at the border when entering quite a few countries e.g. Greece https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/greece/entry-requir...

Re: Swiss Covid Certificate – Technical documentation of the swiss Covid certificate

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From the G7 agenda reporting: “ Last Friday morning, during an interview on Good Morning America, U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas said the Biden administration was taking “a very close look” at the possibility of vaccine passports for travel into and out of the United States. However by Friday afternoon the Department of Homeland Security was clarifying Mayorkas’ statement. The DHS says there won’…

The UK has also ruled it out. I wouldn't use one - emigrate or never travel. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/05/30/uk-vaccine-p...

Have you never travelled to a vaccination mandatory country where you needed to prove vaccination against e.g. Yellow fever?

Re: Swiss Covid Certificate – Technical documentation of the swiss Covid certificate

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There are people in the travel community who oppose restrictions, sometimes hyperbolically so. For the last year, travel forums have been full of posts by people who intentionally chose destinations because not only would those country let them in, but mask-wearing and distancing wasn't really enforced there. With regard to need to prove vaccination, note that the WHO yellow-fever certificate was originally good for…

I have my Covid shots entered into the WHO yellow vaccination passport and assume that's good enough for the time being until a specific "QR code passport" is released. edited to add: Why should a civilized country just revoke certification once you're fully vaccinated?

Why should a civilized country just revoke certification once you're fully vaccinated?

Why would a civilized country just force an airplane down flying over it's territory because of a made-up bomb threat to remove a journalist?

Re: Swiss Covid Certificate – Technical documentation of the swiss Covid certificate

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No. The federal council has stated in multiple press conferences that the 6 month period is solely because we only have good data about vaccine protection for this time period. Studies are still ongoing and if it turns out the vaccine protects people well after this period, it will be adjusted. The 6 monthsbare just preliminary.

Pardon my French, but that's a completely ass-backwards approach from the council. If we later find that the vaccines need boosters, so be it, maybe that's justification for an additional restriction. There's an argument against this (of the "give them an inch and they'll take a mile" variety[1]), but what's proposed is taking a mile and promising to maybe sometime walk some of it back at some point. How far? In resp…

They are already discussing yearly / bi-yearly boosters. Very good revenue stream.

- https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/15/pfizer-ceo-says-third-covid-... - https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/why-annua... - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/15/covid-19-boost...

Re: Swiss Covid Certificate – Technical documentation of the swiss Covid certificate

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The inoculation certificate validity is currently 180 days since the last jab (looking at the slide deck in the repo). That seems super short. Will people really need 2 courses of jabs each year (that is 4 jabs with most current vaccines)?

New York's was 90 days, then 180, then a year. They've been extending it as the data from the early clinical trial cohorts age.

The New York one is different in that it’s just an assertion of good/not good based on NY’s standards.

The EU model is a little different as there is a whole laundry list of data.

Re: Swiss Covid Certificate – Technical documentation of the swiss Covid certificate

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. The federal council has stated in multiple press conferences that the 6 month period is solely because we only have good data about vaccine protection for this time period. Studies are still ongoing and if it turns out the vaccine protects people well after this period, it will be adjusted. The 6 monthsbare just preliminary.

Pardon my French, but that's a completely ass-backwards approach from the council. If we later find that the vaccines need boosters, so be it, maybe that's justification for an additional restriction. There's an argument against this (of the "give them an inch and they'll take a mile" variety[1]), but what's proposed is taking a mile and promising to maybe sometime walk some of it back at some point. How far? In resp…

In Swiss culture, dependability is valued a lot. People prefer to know for sure that they are guaranteed to be exempt from quarantine restrictions for at least six months (which may be extended indefinitely down the road), over the alternative of assuring indefinite immunity right away and then curtailing that in case the vaccines do not offer long-term protection.

It gives people a certain peace of mind and allows them to make travel plans with confidence.

Re: Swiss Covid Certificate – Technical documentation of the swiss Covid certificate

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Seems complex for something that probably never going to see any real use.

You do have a point there. The EU is pitching COVID certificates as a way to restore travel in the bloc, but I can’t imagine they will be used in places other than airports/bus stations/train stations. The issue is that maintaining roadblocks along Schengen borders has incurred costs that countries don’t like to deal with long-term, and even with the roadblocks there have been a lot of gaps. I spent last summer cycli…

Denmark use a similar app called “Coronapas”. Works similar to the Swiss one, displaying latest test results and vaccine status. It’s currently required to enter any restaurants or public spaces and has been very successful in returning some degree of normality to the country. Singapore are trialing a similar solution where the “Trace Together” app displays my vaccine status, possible exposure as well as test results. Very efficient. Different countries, different traditions. The US seems quite opposed to federally enforcing vaccine registration and passports, yet they find it ok to conduct mass surveillance of its citizens (and foreigners). On the contrary, Germany have strict privacy laws; yet they push for digital vaccine passports.

Re: Swiss Covid Certificate – Technical documentation of the swiss Covid certificate

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do have a point there. The EU is pitching COVID certificates as a way to restore travel in the bloc, but I can’t imagine they will be used in places other than airports/bus stations/train stations. The issue is that maintaining roadblocks along Schengen borders has incurred costs that countries don’t like to deal with long-term, and even with the roadblocks there have been a lot of gaps. I spent last summer cycli…

Denmark use a similar app called “Coronapas”. Works similar to the Swiss one, displaying latest test results and vaccine status. It’s currently required to enter any restaurants or public spaces and has been very successful in returning some degree of normality to the country. Singapore are trialing a similar solution where the “Trace Together” app displays my vaccine status, possible exposure as well as test results…

Denmark is an outlier among EU countries in using an app for internal travel and activities. Many other EU countries have already reopened their restaurant sector without requiring any proof of vaccination.

Re: Swiss Covid Certificate – Technical documentation of the swiss Covid certificate

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You actually get heavily fined when you move to Switzerland and use your foreign license for more than a year. Exchanging it is a small formality in most cases, but you need to do it.

Doesn't that creep you out at least a little bit?

It also - technically - works that way in the US as well when it comes to drivers licenses (although it depends on the state).

The difference is that it's actually enforced in Switzerland, and depending on which country you emigrate in from, you can also be forced to retake your drivers test if you wait long enough (which is something of a less-discussed issue in the expat community).

Re: Swiss Covid Certificate – Technical documentation of the swiss Covid certificate

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are people in the travel community who oppose restrictions, sometimes hyperbolically so. For the last year, travel forums have been full of posts by people who intentionally chose destinations because not only would those country let them in, but mask-wearing and distancing wasn't really enforced there. With regard to need to prove vaccination, note that the WHO yellow-fever certificate was originally good for…

I have my Covid shots entered into the WHO yellow vaccination passport and assume that's good enough for the time being until a specific "QR code passport" is released. edited to add: Why should a civilized country just revoke certification once you're fully vaccinated?

Same here. I have had to present my Yellow Card before to enter countries, and I will do the same for COVID immunizations.
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