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Re: Transitioning to Tesla Vision

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Post by baby »

sfblah wrote: post #29
jdsully wrote: post #3

> For a short period during this transition, cars with Tesla Vision may be delivered with some features temporarily limited or inactive I don't understand this, if its only a few weeks why not just wait? Tesla has been years late on this in the past so it's not very reassuring.

If I were considering buying a Tesla I would 100% wait. Whatever you think of the company, their claims about what will happen in the future are often wildly optimistic in terms of timing. Better just to wait and see what they ship and whether/how well it works.

If everybody does that then Tesla has no future.

Re: Transitioning to Tesla Vision

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Post by mikestew »

boardwaalk wrote: post #9
AlexandrB wrote: post #5

> Instead, these will be the first Tesla vehicles to rely on camera vision and neural net processing to deliver Autopilot, Full-Self Driving and certain active safety features. Tesla's marketing is... misleading. "Full-Self Driving" sounds like the car is fully capable of driving itself when it does nothing of the sort. I can see why some drivers assume it's more capable than it is. "Autopilot" was bad enough. What i…

Do we have to relitigate this every time? Do you think we’re going to advance the conversation around this by you raising this? As someone who even only tangentially follows Tesla & no stake, it’s really tiring.

Every time Tesla uses the misleading-bordering-on-lying phrase "Full Self-Driving" to describe their cars? I have no problem with that. If you find it tiring, complain to the company telling whoppers and not to the ones pointing it out.

Re: Transitioning to Tesla Vision

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Post by baby »

sfblah wrote: post #32
blakesterz wrote: post #4

..."Instead, these will be the first Tesla vehicles to rely on camera vision and neural net processing to deliver Autopilot, Full-Self Driving and certain active safety features."... I only 1/2 follow Tesla stuff, but why are they still saying "Full-Self Driving" here? Aren't they asking for trouble? I'm referring to this: https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/7/22424592/tesla-elon-musk-a...

I was talking to a lawyer friend about this the other day. I was curious where the lines really are in terms of false advertising and misleading consumers. I know, for example, that part of the case against the tobacco companies was that they misled consumers about the risks of things like "light" cigarettes. Anyway, he just shrugged his shoulders and said, "Elon Musk." I really hope we move back away from having a s…

He’s invincible. As Trump was saying they need to protect people like him. He’s pushing America towards the future (at a cost) and his image is good within the US as well as abroad. He’s the embodiment of the American dream (he rumored that he couldn’t afford paying for rent when he funded tesla/spaceX). He’s the reason people are willing to take risks to create their own startups. It’s almost like he’s too big to fail, a failing elon musk would be a failure for America’s entrepreneurship and tech future. So now whatever he’s doing, he’s getting a pass. Wanna pump dogecoin? You get a pass.

Re: Transitioning to Tesla Vision

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Post by IshKebab »

pavlov wrote: post #28
AlexandrB wrote: post #5

> Instead, these will be the first Tesla vehicles to rely on camera vision and neural net processing to deliver Autopilot, Full-Self Driving and certain active safety features. Tesla's marketing is... misleading. "Full-Self Driving" sounds like the car is fully capable of driving itself when it does nothing of the sort. I can see why some drivers assume it's more capable than it is. "Autopilot" was bad enough. What i…

Tesla calls this feature "Full Self-Driving Capability" and pretends that the word "capability" is understood to mean it could eventually be capable of it, somehow. It's like if Apple were selling a smartphone with 80 Megapixel Photo Capability, and the fine print reads: "Devices equipped with 80MP Photo Capability do not have an 80MP sensor. The capability refers to the hardware's ability to potentially upscale imag…

But there are numerous marketing pages, quotes from Musk etc. where that sneaky distinction isn't made. Honestly I don't know why there hasn't been an enormous class action lawsuit from people like yourself who were fooled into paying for something that has never and can never be delivered. Surely that is fraud?

Re: Transitioning to Tesla Vision

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Post by jm4 »

jdsully wrote: post #3

> For a short period during this transition, cars with Tesla Vision may be delivered with some features temporarily limited or inactive I don't understand this, if its only a few weeks why not just wait? Tesla has been years late on this in the past so it's not very reassuring.

Knowing what I know after 2 years of Tesla ownership, I would cancel any order until they actually release the feature. I was foolish enough to buy the FSD option and it's a joke. They were claiming "by the end of the year" back then. I should have asked which year. It's still a great car, but Elon Musk is a lying bullshit artist.

Re: Transitioning to Tesla Vision

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Post by frogpelt »

baby wrote: post #43
the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #34

Pretty sure they can't pull this in Europe. Emergency Lane Departure Avoidance is now mandatory for cars so not having this until some future update won't fly there.

You know there are still 20yo cars driving in Europe

I think 20 year old cars have different requirements than new cars.

Re: Transitioning to Tesla Vision

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Post by mikestew »

baby wrote: post #41
sfblah wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I were considering buying a Tesla I would 100% wait. Whatever you think of the company, their claims about what will happen in the future are often wildly optimistic in terms of timing. Better just to wait and see what they ship and whether/how well it works.

If everybody does that then Tesla has no future.

Then it's on Tesla to deliver product instead of press releases about what they might do in the future. It is not the responsibility of the consumer to financially support Tesla's pie-in-the-sky, but perhaps I have misinterpreted your comment.

Re: Transitioning to Tesla Vision

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Post by stubish »

AlexandrB wrote: post #5

> Instead, these will be the first Tesla vehicles to rely on camera vision and neural net processing to deliver Autopilot, Full-Self Driving and certain active safety features. Tesla's marketing is... misleading. "Full-Self Driving" sounds like the car is fully capable of driving itself when it does nothing of the sort. I can see why some drivers assume it's more capable than it is. "Autopilot" was bad enough. What i…

Certainly it is misleading, but technically correct if you check those tenses:

"these will be the first Tesla vehicles to rely on camera vision and neural net processing to deliver Autopilot, Full-Self Driving and certain active safety features."

Future tenses all the way. Someone might make them clarify this, but the clarification won't be as high profile as this release.

Re: Transitioning to Tesla Vision

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Post by angus-prune »

baby wrote: post #43
the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #34

Pretty sure they can't pull this in Europe. Emergency Lane Departure Avoidance is now mandatory for cars so not having this until some future update won't fly there.

You know there are still 20yo cars driving in Europe

The regulations apply to new cars.

That’s how almost all regulations for vehicle standard enhancements are implemented.

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