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Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk

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Re: Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk

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Post by tootie »

chrismeller wrote: post #4

All the info from ATC is in that just vague enough category that you wonder if it’s just a language barrier issue or if what you’re thinking is really happening. I feel like the pilot knew something was off, but eventually went along with it because he didn’t really have any other choice. Is Belarus going to become another country international airlines avoid flying over?

It's also possible the ATC was in the dark. Maybe their boss just told them there was a bomb threat and make them divert and don't ask questions.

Re: Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk

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Post by stordoff »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #32
terom wrote: post #28

The caa.gov.by news release has a much more complete (Belarusian-sourced) transcript than the edited Reuters one: http://caa.gov.by/ru/news-ru/view/1-203/ EDIT: copy-pasta from (Belarusian) source https://gist.github.com/SpComb/849b97bae720cb77ab4c43ef92dae...

"Resource Limit Is Reached" :-(

Google Cache currently has a copy: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Ahttp...

Re: Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk

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Post by drno123 »

nevermindiguess wrote: post #11

This is actually a good development. A number of countries purporting to hold the highest standards on human rights were actually the ones to use this tactic of diverting flights to apprehended those they deemed to be their enemies. I am referring to the United States and EU countries in the Snowden case and other cases before that. They lowered the bar first. Now Belarus joined to the new level. It’ll be interesting…

I don’t get why comments mentioning the forced landing of Morales’ plane in Austria, and searching for Snowden in the plane (under Obama) get downvoted. US/EU made a precedent and now everyone is surprised when Lukashenko simply copied their tactics.

Re: Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk

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Post by djxfade »

gspr wrote: post #15
Sebb767 wrote: post #7

> Pilot: Again, this recommendation to divert to Minsk where did it come from? Where did it come from? Company? Did it come from departure airport authorities or arrival airport authorities? Is it usual for a pilot to ask for all this information? From a "casual reader" perspective, it looks like the pilot really did not want to divert, but this might just be my reading.

Definitely not usual. As for the pilot being suspicious, I agree. The plane was also only about 30 km (=2-3 min flying time) from the Lithuanian border. Imagine if the pilot had decided to make the attempt. A Belarusian MiG violating NATO airspace?

Russian airforces regularly violates NATO airspace in Norway. They never get any consequences for it, so why wouldn't they?

Re: Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk

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Post by r721 »

king_magic wrote: post #10
dboreham wrote: post #5

So the pilot said "no", at which point the agents on board staged a hijack.

Huh? Where exactly in that transcript does the pilot explicitly say “no”? Where are you getting the information that agents on the plane hijacked it?

>Where are you getting the information that agents on the plane hijacked it?

That was an early rumor from another Nexta editor:

>Then when the plane has entered Belarus airspace KGB officers initiated a fight with the Ryanair crew

>insisting there’s an IED onboard. Eventually the crew was forced to send out SOS (literally moments before the plane would've left Belarus airspace).

https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1396446650718117890

I think it's still unconfirmed (or even can be called disproved at this point)?

Re: Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk

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Post by phkahler »

zerkten wrote: post #30
Sebb767 wrote: post #7

> Pilot: Again, this recommendation to divert to Minsk where did it come from? Where did it come from? Company? Did it come from departure airport authorities or arrival airport authorities? Is it usual for a pilot to ask for all this information? From a "casual reader" perspective, it looks like the pilot really did not want to divert, but this might just be my reading.

I haven't had time to follow this episode to the level of detail I normally would. I would expect a number of factors at play around hesitancy, not limited to: * Expectation of contact on other frequencies. * Minsk directly stating bomb on board with connection to Vilnius (may not be protocol) * Airport staff sent email (again, is this correct protocol?) * Message being that activation is over Vilnius (pilot may have…

>> You should be able to trust any controller is acting in good faith as a civilian navigator, but that's clearly not the case.

Maybe the controller believed the information they had? I'm sure it wasn't their plan to do this, so someone told them something. But then we can move your statement to the next layer - the controller should be able to trust that someone giving them that kind of information is acting in good faith. Apparently not in Belarus.

Re: Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk

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Post by bobthepanda »

StavrosK wrote: post #27
fy20 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the point they diverted they could have also flown to Kaunas (a Ryanair base) if the concern was to avoid flying over Vilnius. That would also have been closer than Minsk.

I don't think the pilot was aware of any reason not to fly to Minsk at the time.

Flight plans include alternate airports, and Minsk is far enough away compared to other airports to not be on a filed flight plan for this particular route.

Re: Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk

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Post by ethbr0 »

yupper32 wrote: post #37
Arech wrote: post #12

> Following are excerpts from the transcript, which Reuters was unable to verify. Why do they even post it then?

Because the source is likely good enough to post. MSNBC reported on some CNN reporting the other week, while acknowledging that they haven't independently verified it yet. MSNBC was not saying that CNN isn't credible, it's just that they like to clarify that they haven't verified it themselves yet.

ATC traffic is still unencrypted right? I'd assume multiple parties have recordings.

Re: Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk

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Post by appleiigs »

FartyMcFarter wrote: post #34
nevermindiguess wrote: post #11

This is actually a good development. A number of countries purporting to hold the highest standards on human rights were actually the ones to use this tactic of diverting flights to apprehended those they deemed to be their enemies. I am referring to the United States and EU countries in the Snowden case and other cases before that. They lowered the bar first. Now Belarus joined to the new level. It’ll be interesting…

Citation please?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/05/24/belarus-flig...
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