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Apple employees call for company to support Palestinians in internal letter

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Re: Apple employees call for company to support Palestinians in internal letter

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The same Apple employees who got a petition together to get a Jewish employee, Anthony Garcia Martinez, who is unashamed of his support of Israel, fired? (I'll bet you wondered why he wasn't given consideration as a "latinx" employee. It's because he's Jewish.) As Martinez said to Apple, "This will be your life now every week." https://twitter.com/antoniogm/status/1395515386402021377 I still use an iPhone. I'm going…

This is kind of a non-sequitur. Jewish people are allowed to have weird gender-based opinions and get fired for them too, just like everyone else. I don't really have a strong opinion on the overall actions by Apple, but people being offended by this quote is orthogonal to what ethnicity he is: > Most women in the Bay Area are soft and weak, cosseted and naive despite their claims of worldliness, and generally full o…

You read one sentence from a well-reviewed popular book, because someone told you to read it and get outraged!

C'mon now. Be honest with yourself.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/10/books/review/chaos-monkey...

Nobody noticed this when the book came out. A posse was out to get him, and scrutinized this book with a fine-toothed comb.

Re: Apple employees call for company to support Palestinians in internal letter

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It's amusing that people never seem to get excited about India and Pakistan's fight over Kashmir (and Apple has employees in India), England and Ireland's fight over Northern Ireland (again, Apple has a presence in Ireland) or other violent land disputes around the world where their company does business. And the civil wars in Sudan (Apple gets some "3TG" materials from there), and civil rights abuses in China.

Exactly. It’s not sincere and it’s about politicking and acting like the savior in armor for whomever is the righteous cause today. There are wars and abuse in North Africa, but they could give a rat’s ass because it’s not in their conscience at the moment or the enemy is not a convenient enemy they can despise.

How many people gave a rats ass about the Syrian civil war, or even the civil war _within Gaza_ in 2007? Gazans were battling each other:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatah%E2%80%93Hamas_conflict

Re: Apple employees call for company to support Palestinians in internal letter

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is kind of a non-sequitur. Jewish people are allowed to have weird gender-based opinions and get fired for them too, just like everyone else. I don't really have a strong opinion on the overall actions by Apple, but people being offended by this quote is orthogonal to what ethnicity he is: > Most women in the Bay Area are soft and weak, cosseted and naive despite their claims of worldliness, and generally full o…

I like the word “allowed”, but who is doing the alllowing?

s/are allowed to/can/

It was an awkward turn of phrase

Re: Apple employees call for company to support Palestinians in internal letter

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is kind of a non-sequitur. Jewish people are allowed to have weird gender-based opinions and get fired for them too, just like everyone else. I don't really have a strong opinion on the overall actions by Apple, but people being offended by this quote is orthogonal to what ethnicity he is: > Most women in the Bay Area are soft and weak, cosseted and naive despite their claims of worldliness, and generally full o…

You read one sentence from a well-reviewed popular book, because someone told you to read it and get outraged! C'mon now. Be honest with yourself. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/10/books/review/chaos-monkey... Nobody noticed this when the book came out. A posse was out to get him, and scrutinized this book with a fine-toothed comb.

Again, I'm not outraged. But the people that are outraged certainly aren't saying to themselves "well, because he's Jewish, I will/won't be outraged about what he's saying"

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These people are nuts if they think Apple is going to put out an official statement saying that Israel is illegally occupying Palestine. In their letter they dismiss the notion that the issue is complex and can't be boiled down to the company simply saying "we support X" or "Y is in the right here", but that's exactly what it is. A consumer electronics company cannot be expected to make sense of and take sides in a c…

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Re: Apple employees call for company to support Palestinians in internal letter

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It’s about time the continuous flow of statements from big corporations around political (supposedly consensual) issues start to backfire. Just make your customers happy, don’t strongarm them, don’t overprice your products, and pay taxes, is all people are really asking from corporations.

This isn't a statement from a big corporation, though. This is a statement from employees of the big corporation (presumably all of whom feel comfortable leaving on a moment's notice) to the corporation. Companies have long known that making your customers happy involves retaining skilled employees, and that incurring extra costs to keep skilled employees happy is worthwhile for the business. Sometimes that involves…

The thing is those employees allow themselves to mix political issues with corporate life because they saw their CEO issue those same kind of statements about other political issues in the past.

I feel CEO making public statements around political issues is typically an american thing.As an example, my personal experience in France is that politics is completely out of bounds of corporate life.

Re: Apple employees call for company to support Palestinians in internal letter

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't a statement from a big corporation, though. This is a statement from employees of the big corporation (presumably all of whom feel comfortable leaving on a moment's notice) to the corporation. Companies have long known that making your customers happy involves retaining skilled employees, and that incurring extra costs to keep skilled employees happy is worthwhile for the business. Sometimes that involves…

The thing is those employees allow themselves to mix political issues with corporate life because they saw their CEO issue those same kind of statements about other political issues in the past. I feel CEO making public statements around political issues is typically an american thing.As an example, my personal experience in France is that politics is completely out of bounds of corporate life.

Sure, but the US is consistently beating France in terms of economic performance. And Silicon Valley itself, home of outspoken employees and CEOs, beats the US as a whole. Why should we sacrifice economic growth in the name of political correctness?
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