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Five Oregon counties vote to leave state, create 'Greater Idaho'

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Re: Five Oregon counties vote to leave state, create 'Greater Idaho'

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Post by lotsofpulp »

wizzwizz4 wrote: post #37
abnry wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if what you have in mind is like what Germany was before it was unified. Lots of city states that essentially ally together or don't. I don't think it is a stable situation once someone gains the means to conquer by force.

But if everyone agrees to prevent conquering-by-force, why wouldn't it work?

Because you can break cities into boroughs and boroughs into neighborhoods and neighborhoods into blocks, and where does it stop?

At some point, a tribe has to use force.

Re: Five Oregon counties vote to leave state, create 'Greater Idaho'

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

xrd wrote: post #31
avalys wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe they like their home, their community, and their neighborhood, but what they don’t like is having a bunch of people living in population centers far away who don’t share their values telling them how to live their lives?

I'm confused, are we talking about the electoral college system, or about Oregon?

I mean their statement can be generalized to both but they are talking about the urban centers in Oregon.

Re: Five Oregon counties vote to leave state, create 'Greater Idaho'

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Post by joekim »

blakesterz wrote: post #29

The URL of this story is interesting: https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2021/05/19/Oregon-Idaho-Dona... I assume the "Oregon-Idaho-Donald-Trump-Joe-Biden" is some SEO thing? It doesn't seem all that central to the story.

Trump is a central facet of the story because those counties wanting to join Idaho favored Trump in the election.

Re: Five Oregon counties vote to leave state, create 'Greater Idaho'

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Post by fnord77 »

razster wrote: post #32
ddingus wrote: post #23

One future pop quiz answer: Tesla city is the capitol of the State of Jefferson.

I doubt Tesla city, more like Trump city.

Putin city would be more like it, since the whole split california movement gets pushed hard by russian trolls

Re: Five Oregon counties vote to leave state, create 'Greater Idaho'

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Post by sdenton4 »

hirundo wrote: post #20
Tempest1981 wrote: post #10

Doesn't Eastern Washington also have a similar demographic? Maybe combine them too.

Eastern California too, particularly North Eastern. If we gerrymander states by equal numbers of red and blue residents there would be vast rural red states surrounding small blue sub/urban enclaves.

And the red states will pay 'out of state' prices for higher quality universities in the blue areas, leading to even greater segregation along educational lines. (Actually, this is probably already happening...)

Re: Five Oregon counties vote to leave state, create 'Greater Idaho'

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Post by lmkg »

blakesterz wrote: post #29

The URL of this story is interesting: https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2021/05/19/Oregon-Idaho-Dona... I assume the "Oregon-Idaho-Donald-Trump-Joe-Biden" is some SEO thing? It doesn't seem all that central to the story.

The most innocuous explanation is that the URL was automatically generated from the headline, and then the headline was later changed but the URL was not. I've seen that situation happen on multiple news websites. Most commonly as new information is added to an existing website, but sometimes the headline will simply get changed over the course of the day as the article is promoted from the middle of the page, up to the top, back down to the bottom.

Re: Five Oregon counties vote to leave state, create 'Greater Idaho'

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Post by tastyfreeze »

My first reaction was that this is against Article IV Section III of the Constitution. But, reading it again shifting borders of existing states doesn't seem to be prohibited. It would be interesting to see how something like this actually played out.

Re: Five Oregon counties vote to leave state, create 'Greater Idaho'

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

UncleOxidant wrote: post #15
dumbfoundded wrote: post #9

For reference, this is about 100K people of 4.2M in Oregon (1). The rural counties of Southern Oregon and Northern California have been proposing the state of Jefferson for a while now (2). From my experience living there for a few years, it's the most libertarian place I've ever seen. It's like Texas without the Christianity. People there generally support gay marriage, abortion, and cannabis legalization but also l…

It varies a lot. I spent some growing up years in Southern Oregon and there definitely was a strong evangelical, anti-gay marriage, anti-abortion etc. contingent in the town where I was. Lots of Birchers & KKK types as well. This was in the 70s and while the whole QAnon thing now is epistemlogically shocking, it seems like we had a lot of similar kinds of conspiracies running rampant in small southern Oregon towns ba…

I mean Oregon was founded as a white only state it's right in there constitution.

> No free negro or mulatto not residing in this state at the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall come, reside or be within this state or hold any real estate, or make any contracts, or maintain any suit therein; and the legislative assembly shall provide by penal laws for the removal by public officers of all such negroes and mulattoes, and for their effectual exclusion from the state, and for the punishment of persons who shall bring them into the state, or employ or harbor them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_black_exclusion_laws

So it's not surprising so much of the state is like this. People give the south crap but the Pacific Northwest was literally founded on these ideals and it still very much persists to this day.

Re: Five Oregon counties vote to leave state, create 'Greater Idaho'

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Post by krapp »

wizzwizz4 wrote: post #37
abnry wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if what you have in mind is like what Germany was before it was unified. Lots of city states that essentially ally together or don't. I don't think it is a stable situation once someone gains the means to conquer by force.

But if everyone agrees to prevent conquering-by-force, why wouldn't it work?

Humans don't work that way. We always create hierarchies of power and control, it's innate to our primate nature.
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