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Re: How the UK's online safety bill threatens Matrix

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Post by einpoklum »

onetimeusename wrote: post #37
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I wish there was some sort of island or safe haven country setup by cryptographers so they could safely work on crypto without legal issues or crypto being seen as a munition and a threat to government. We could call it `01` and have it in a non fourteen-eyes jurisdiction preferably as an independent nation. We could export code containing cryptographic algorithms to countries that need it for privacy and safety reas…

Creating an island nation to evade laws won't work. It's the same thing as trying to evade tax laws but for content laws. What has happened to tax havens is they are labeled tax non-compliant and then an IGO effectively embargoes them unless they turn over all tax records and come into compliance with their laws. So the same thing would apply to creating an island nation to evade some cryptography export law, or cont…

Well, corporations do evade taxes using island nations and other such machinery, and mostly get away with it.

It probably won't work for "just people", without strong lobby powers and corrupting financial temptations dangled before politicians.

IMHO there's no running away from resisting/circumventing oppressive legislation in our social surroundings, not by looking for far-away havens.

Re: How the UK's online safety bill threatens Matrix

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Post by KingOfCoders »

Arathorn wrote: post #40
KingOfCoders wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the same with GDPR. When I worked for a large enterprise, we had a legal/compliance team of dozens of people and a huge outsourced legal budget. When I worked in the startup of my wife, it was me implementing GDPR compliance.

But at least GDPR /is/ tractable to implement at small scale. Whereas for the OSB: if you run a smallish but popular chat/blog/forum/etc service, there literally isn’t a solution for moderation which isn’t fiendishly expensive, privacy invasive, or both. The legislation has clearly been dreamt up by folks saying “ah ha! if we threaten the Facebook UK executive mangement team with jailtime unless they do better at fil…

GDPR is only tractable because 90% of companies don't implement it. In Germany thousands of companies illegally use Mailchimp for example.

Re: How the UK's online safety bill threatens Matrix

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Post by [deleted] »

jancsika wrote: post #34
______- wrote: post #8

I wish there was some sort of island or safe haven country setup by cryptographers so they could safely work on crypto without legal issues or crypto being seen as a munition and a threat to government. We could call it `01` and have it in a non fourteen-eyes jurisdiction preferably as an independent nation. We could export code containing cryptographic algorithms to countries that need it for privacy and safety reas…

> I wish there was some sort of island or safe haven country setup by cryptographers so they could safely work on crypto without legal issues or crypto being seen as a munition and a threat to government. I wish there was some sort of island of safe haven country setup by compiler developers where C didn't have problems with memory safety. Why is politics the only domain where HN'ers think they can make the domain's…

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Re: How the UK's online safety bill threatens Matrix

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Post by lostlogin »

young_unixer wrote: post #22
______- wrote: post #8

I wish there was some sort of island or safe haven country setup by cryptographers so they could safely work on crypto without legal issues or crypto being seen as a munition and a threat to government. We could call it `01` and have it in a non fourteen-eyes jurisdiction preferably as an independent nation. We could export code containing cryptographic algorithms to countries that need it for privacy and safety reas…

There's Liberland, an attempt at a libertarian country, but it's still far from being an actual country.

That sounds a lot like a place for liberals rather than libertarians.

It’s very interesting to read about, thanks.

https://liberland.org/en/about

Re: How the UK's online safety bill threatens Matrix

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Post by LeftTriangle »

KingOfCoders wrote: post #42
Arathorn wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But at least GDPR /is/ tractable to implement at small scale. Whereas for the OSB: if you run a smallish but popular chat/blog/forum/etc service, there literally isn’t a solution for moderation which isn’t fiendishly expensive, privacy invasive, or both. The legislation has clearly been dreamt up by folks saying “ah ha! if we threaten the Facebook UK executive mangement team with jailtime unless they do better at fil…

GDPR is only tractable because 90% of companies don't implement it. In Germany thousands of companies illegally use Mailchimp for example.

I like how you, with actual concrete real-world experiences you are sharing, are being downvoted by silent armchair enthusiasts who mostly just like GDPR because they get the sense that it’s vaguely bad for Facebook.

Re: How the UK's online safety bill threatens Matrix

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Post by LeftTriangle »

teclordphrack2 wrote: post #16
______- wrote: post #8

I wish there was some sort of island or safe haven country setup by cryptographers so they could safely work on crypto without legal issues or crypto being seen as a munition and a threat to government. We could call it `01` and have it in a non fourteen-eyes jurisdiction preferably as an independent nation. We could export code containing cryptographic algorithms to countries that need it for privacy and safety reas…

We can't have communist countries in latan america because of the good ole u s of a. You think you are going to get some slight utopia that helps people b/c of their ideals? Never going to happen... sadly.

You can’t have communist countries in “Latan” America because their industrial base and population expertise is even worse than the USSR. Not to defend the CIA’s actions, but Venezuela was never going to work out.

Re: How the UK's online safety bill threatens Matrix

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Post by beermonster »

viktorcode wrote: post #5

Sad to see UK becoming one of the apologists of internet censorship, closing the gap to the levels of authoritarian countries. Once you have censorship facility in place, the area of its application will only grow. The term "illegal information" is also widely used in Russia for the same purpose.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_and_survei...

Re: How the UK's online safety bill threatens Matrix

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Post by KingOfCoders »

LeftTriangle wrote: post #45
KingOfCoders wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GDPR is only tractable because 90% of companies don't implement it. In Germany thousands of companies illegally use Mailchimp for example.

I like how you, with actual concrete real-world experiences you are sharing, are being downvoted by silent armchair enthusiasts who mostly just like GDPR because they get the sense that it’s vaguely bad for Facebook.

As a private citizen I like GDPR - even if Facebook will find ways around it (but I do not really care, I've left Facebook many years ago because of privacy concerns).

As someone who implemented it in several companies, I don't like it because it hits smaller companies much harder than bigger ones, and because it tries to be technology agnostic it is quite fuzzy, compate to something like SOX or PCIDSS (which I also implemented as CTO). In Germany at least data protection agencies declared they will go after companies that use e.g. Mailchimp.

Re: How the UK's online safety bill threatens Matrix

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Post by beermonster »

dblohm7 wrote: post #14
viktorcode wrote: post #5

Sad to see UK becoming one of the apologists of internet censorship, closing the gap to the levels of authoritarian countries. Once you have censorship facility in place, the area of its application will only grow. The term "illegal information" is also widely used in Russia for the same purpose.

The UK was already heading down that route with the public surveillance cameras, IMHO.

And the land-grab law changes over the last 12 months.
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