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The Return of Fancy Tools

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Re: The Return of Fancy Tools

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Must admit my comment is spurred by the first few words but my god Dreamweaver was so good in the early 2000's. I actually got introduced to it in ICT lessons at high school. Oh Adobe. The memory of their software is so nostalgic. Don't get me started, I'll be talking about macromedia shockwave next...

I got my start on Drumbeat which later was purchased by macromedia. I miss my spinning 3D text gifs.

Drumbeat was incredible. VB for the web.

Re: The Return of Fancy Tools

#43

> JIRA was replaced by GitHub issues This is absolutely... not the case. Sure, for some kinds of projects Github Issues might do, but for anything "real" Github's issue and project management is a serious regression. --- These tools are not replacing anything, but addressing broader and broader markets. They lower the barrier to entry and bring more people into the fold (perhaps at the expense at having a lower ceili…

Jira is an amazing argument for the idea that having too many features is itself an anti-feature, and github issues' second biggest strength compared to it (behind the integration with github) is specifically that it doesn't try to do everything.

Re: The Return of Fancy Tools

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First, this is an interesting take, and I think there is some kernels to consider in it. However, the author is painting very broadly with a large brush and smudging a lot. I have been happily using PyCharm/IntelliJ since what feels like the dawn of time. It is a perfectly complex and rewarding Fancy Tool. People still use IDEs for C/C++ this whole time, etc. I think the author is taking their personal journey and experience and extrapolating a bit too much about trends in the industry. I found myself nodding along at times and then saying "What?" the next sentence.

My thoughts:

* JIRA, still heavily used in many, many places. Not even close to being replaced in them.

* Evernote vs. Markdown: I have been using org mode and or plain text notes for over 20 years. Markdown was a welcome addition to the arsenal, but I tried the Evernote/Microsoft Notes back in the day... just went back to plaintext for notes+todo, it has worked forever and is good enough. Org mode is a very nice and "Fancy" tool on its own. But also easy to get started with.

Just some examples. I don't mean to be overly critical, it is an interesting and fun article about the tools we use as technologists, but it could do with a lot better grounding all around.

Re: The Return of Fancy Tools

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post #39

> JIRA was replaced by GitHub issues This is absolutely... not the case. Sure, for some kinds of projects Github Issues might do, but for anything "real" Github's issue and project management is a serious regression. --- These tools are not replacing anything, but addressing broader and broader markets. They lower the barrier to entry and bring more people into the fold (perhaps at the expense at having a lower ceili…

I’m not sure I agree, I think things like GitHub issues are actually replacing Jira for a lot of companies who either aren’t yet, or not too heavily invested in the atlassian approach. We did a comparison program with a sister city who uses Jira for their entire process because it had been a good time-tracking system at the time, and we found that their project managers and developers spend around 5 hours a week on s…

Jira is so horrid that I actually might turn down a job offer from a company that used it.

Re: The Return of Fancy Tools

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got my start on Drumbeat which later was purchased by macromedia. I miss my spinning 3D text gifs.

Drumbeat was incredible. VB for the web.

No web UI component framework has matched the usability of VB.

Why haven't we seen a true successor?

Microsoft should do a native TypeScriptVB or something.

Re: The Return of Fancy Tools

#50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sliding in here with the hot take, but Jira can actually be pretty good! Github is terrible at project management. The problem with Jira (or at least used to) is that it has so much complexities that let people make it overly complicated.

>The problem with Jira (or at least used to) is that it has so much complexities that let people make it overly complicated. I actually really like this take, because a lot of the times it feels like a tool's complexity is from what it lets you do. I feel like if Jira was "dumber" (i.e., less feature "rich") it'd be so much better.

I was previously a JIRA admin, and what I very quickly found was making the workflows the least restrictive possible was the most effective. JIRA itself is quite feature rich and that can be abused, but using it to make your configuration relatively "dumb" makes the actual user experience a lot better.

I very actively pushed back on any requests to add additional states, but nonetheless there were several of them though mainly to facilitate kanban columns and way our dev and QA people worked together.

I think the biggest thing is I ended up adding a ton of transitions between workflow states. Eg: "QA in progress" straight to "Dev in progress" was allowed, as was pretty much any state to "Closed" (so long as resolution was wontfix/invalid/etc). It took lots of time to get that setup properly and ensure transition states had the right name (so the button in the UI had a logical label), but it was well worth it.

The only real workflow restriction we had was that to set an item to "closed" with status="resolved" it had to have a fixVersion assigned. This was a trivial thing to deal with day-to-day but made the list of closed tickets immeasurably better (eg, building release notes, or tracking down what versions a bug affects based on when the feature causing it was originally introduced).

Comparatively, I've used JIRA in a massively locked-down state -- where there are tons of required fields, very prescriptive workflow that often requires 3-6 transitions to get from one state to another, specific roles required to do transitions -- and it sucks. It makes the ticket content and statuses worse (not better) simply because everyone hates using it.

If people aren't following the team's process (such as devs clicking "QA passed" without doing QA), that's a people problem, and it isn't going to be solved in the JIRA workflow editor.

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