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Framework Laptop pre-orders are open, starting at $999

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Re: Framework Laptop pre-orders are open, starting at $999

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I'm always out of the loop with hardware: how much does an equivalent system from the big ones cost? And how future proof/upgradable are cpu and gpu? I assume storage, ram, motherboard and usb-c will take you far otherwise. And I wonder if it's available in Europe. edit: oh, no dedicated GPU.

We've designed the mainboard (with CPU) to be upgradeable. Since the storage, memory, ports, and WiFi are socketed, that reduces the cost of the mainboard by itself.

Re: Framework Laptop pre-orders are open, starting at $999

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Framework founder here. Happy to answer any questions anyone has on the product!

In what country are the laptops manufactured? Which three parts in a laptop have the highest failure rate, and what are those rates? What I can’t wrap my head around is, a consumer that feels strongly about repairing laptops themselves, for clearly non-economic reasons, but would balk at the cost of a laptop manufactured in the West, which is 100% of the labor the day the laptop ships, because then the computer would…

We manufacture subassemblies and most modules in China with final assembly in Taiwan.

In typical consumer notebooks, batteries, hinges, ports, and keyboards would be parts that wear out over time. We've designed the Framework Laptop to make each of those easy to swap as needed.

Re: Framework Laptop pre-orders are open, starting at $999

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Congratulations to the founder(s) on the launch. Wishing you nothing but success! Nice to see a pluggable approach at a time when "repairability" is catching the fancy of the whole world. If I had to nitpick, it would be the fact that Linux is unfortunately a second class citizen. However, I do see that support for mainstream distros is available. Can you possibly shed some light on that and be a bit more specific? W…

We dogfood regularly on Ubuntu LTS and Fedora, and we've been working with the team at Fedora (and have provided them a pre-release unit). In general, the only issue we foresee in the near term is that the fingerprint reader likely won't work out of the box in Linux. There is a driver though, and we're working on making that setup as easy as possible until it is in mainline.

Can you please ensure that you support Linux Vendor Firmware Service (LVFS)[1] i.e ensure your vendors support it.

Edit: Bit more rant about LVFS goodness

Even my Logitech 2.4 Ghz receiver gets regular updates on LVFS, can't remember it happening even with official Logitech SW on Mac/Windows. LVFS fixes the embedded controller security/bugs mess. A functional laptop like Framework when released with first class support for Linux features like LVFS can add more value to the customer.

[1]https://fwupd.org/

Re: Framework Laptop pre-orders are open, starting at $999

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you so much for starting this project and hopefully long-term investment. Incredibly refreshing. The site is down for the moment. What is the situation about warranty? Do you plan to offer multi-year options? I’m all for repairing my own laptop, but if there is an option to pay upfront for some peace of mind on at least the parts, I’d bite.

We offer a pretty standard 1-year limited warranty. Extended warranties are something we are exploring, but are not available yet.

Thank you for the reply. Great to hear it's on Framework's radar.

While the reparability helps (as I'm used to even $800 laptops calling for $300 screens + webcam + Wi-Fi antenna), if it's profitable for Framework, it'd be an instant buy here.

Re: Framework Laptop pre-orders are open, starting at $999

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Framework founder here. Happy to answer any questions anyone has on the product!

Any idea when reviewers will get their hands on it? It'd be nice to have some reviews prior to pre-orders going out.

Definitely! We'll be sending out review units before we start shipping out to customers.

Re: Framework Laptop pre-orders are open, starting at $999

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We dogfood regularly on Ubuntu LTS and Fedora, and we've been working with the team at Fedora (and have provided them a pre-release unit). In general, the only issue we foresee in the near term is that the fingerprint reader likely won't work out of the box in Linux. There is a driver though, and we're working on making that setup as easy as possible until it is in mainline.

Can you please ensure that you support Linux Vendor Firmware Service (LVFS)[1] i.e ensure your vendors support it. Edit: Bit more rant about LVFS goodness Even my Logitech 2.4 Ghz receiver gets regular updates on LVFS, can't remember it happening even with official Logitech SW on Mac/Windows. LVFS fixes the embedded controller security/bugs mess. A functional laptop like Framework when released with first class suppo…

Definitely! We're set up as a vendor there and will be using it for updates in the future: https://fwupd.org/lvfs/vendors/#framework

Re: Framework Laptop pre-orders are open, starting at $999

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post #41

I'm always out of the loop with hardware: how much does an equivalent system from the big ones cost? And how future proof/upgradable are cpu and gpu? I assume storage, ram, motherboard and usb-c will take you far otherwise. And I wonder if it's available in Europe. edit: oh, no dedicated GPU.

We've designed the mainboard (with CPU) to be upgradeable. Since the storage, memory, ports, and WiFi are socketed, that reduces the cost of the mainboard by itself.

Thanks! Still sounds really good :).

Is there a usb-c gpu that would be compatible? (edit: we'll see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27144085 )

I already replaced my battery 2 times, speakers once, wifi once. All was just so still possible on my 2016 laptop. I have an even older laptop with broken screen in use too.

If only I didn't want to run a game every now and than :). I now wonder what to get next:

- another laptop with a dedicated gpu

- something like this here and some usb-c gpu as soon as the onboard gpu doesn't do the trick anymore

- or a desktop for games and media stuff (and a pinebook for typing and youtube or just use my machine from work)

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