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The Macaroni in ‘Yankee Doodle’

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Re: The Macaroni in ‘Yankee Doodle’

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Brooklyn hipster came to town In an '83 Mercedes, Slapped a moustache on his lip And belted out "Mmmm'ladies."

This seems to conflate hipsters and neckbeards.

In the latest taxonomy revision (spec 2020.3 §4-12) you'll find that hipsters and neckbeards were re-classified to make the genus relationship clearer.

Re: The Macaroni in ‘Yankee Doodle’

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The absurdity of the original comment is that goths and emos are characteristically introspective to a fault. Grunge and goths embodied an attempt to flee from self -- the awareness of which was a necessity for that dynamic. Finally, hipsters (not the original hipsters[1], of course) were painfully self-aware, and self-mocking. The funniest part is where it's asserted that these "fads" were "played out" by the time t…

That’s quite a bit of post facto rationalization for various fads that amounted to little more than “this generation’s angst manifest and given a larger platform thanks to an ever-expanding media footprint.”

I was a grunge/goth raised by hippies; when I went back to university, I was surrounded by emos and hipsters. It isn't so much "post facto rationalization" as much as a quick summary of decades of observation. You're describing these subcultures that I've been immersed in with a dismissive outsider's perspective. Stay curious

Re: The Macaroni in ‘Yankee Doodle’

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A lot of fashion is about bravery, as mentioned in the article. People look on those who can wear what they want as free, because they know they are not, and that they are afraid of being judged. I saw a guy wearing a kimono and a belt yesterday. Was quite a sight. Typical judgmental thoughts of "look at that odd dude“ went through my head. But I realized that I couldn’t wear that and the reason would be other people…

Judgement is a critical aspect of fashion, at least as defined in practice.

But leaving that aside, without judgement 1/2 would probably just wear enough to stay warm and the other 1/2 as ridiculously colorful as they could manage.

Re: The Macaroni in ‘Yankee Doodle’

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Oh, interesting! I'd seen the "macaroni" articles before, but until your comment I had not realized the song is making fun of the character's low-effort mimicry.

It was not just the unsophisticated mimicry part, but the fact that he was trying to mimic something that was already being widely ridiculed. I'm not sure what the modern analogy would be, because I'm not sure what fashion is widely ridiculed. "Drew a fake tattoo with a ballpoint pen and called himself 90's emo goth kid."

Hipsters.

Drew a moustache on his lip and called himself hip.

Re: The Macaroni in ‘Yankee Doodle’

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A lot of fashion is about bravery, as mentioned in the article. People look on those who can wear what they want as free, because they know they are not, and that they are afraid of being judged. I saw a guy wearing a kimono and a belt yesterday. Was quite a sight. Typical judgmental thoughts of "look at that odd dude“ went through my head. But I realized that I couldn’t wear that and the reason would be other people…

A world without fashion judgment what I would wear is probably close to what wear now, functional clothes that optimism for price, durability, and utility. Plain black or grey T-shirt under work a breathable (earth tone) button up shirt, (long sleeve in spring, winter, and fall short sleeve in summer). A light jacket/sweater, and canvas or thick denim pant (shorts in the summer). hiking/ work boot for shoes.

The only thing I see changing really is I would probably accelerate toward buying multiple of the same outfit for every day but I have been headed in the direction incrementally already.

But I am more of 'function over form' person when it comes to clothes.

Re: The Macaroni in ‘Yankee Doodle’

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Brooklyn hipster came to town In an '83 Mercedes, Slapped a moustache on his lip And belted out "Mmmm'ladies."

SV techie came to town Escaping covid lockdowns Bought up all the real estate And thinks it’s Churchill Downs

Old Bill Gates his deal went down

buying all the comp'nys

the internet knocked down his door

he said "no that's for phonies"

Re: The Macaroni in ‘Yankee Doodle’

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It was not just the unsophisticated mimicry part, but the fact that he was trying to mimic something that was already being widely ridiculed. I'm not sure what the modern analogy would be, because I'm not sure what fashion is widely ridiculed. "Drew a fake tattoo with a ballpoint pen and called himself 90's emo goth kid."

Hipsters. Drew a moustache on his lip and called himself hip.

This is spot on.

Re: The Macaroni in ‘Yankee Doodle’

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A lot of fashion is about bravery, as mentioned in the article. People look on those who can wear what they want as free, because they know they are not, and that they are afraid of being judged. I saw a guy wearing a kimono and a belt yesterday. Was quite a sight. Typical judgmental thoughts of "look at that odd dude“ went through my head. But I realized that I couldn’t wear that and the reason would be other people…

In a world without fashion judgement everyone would dress the same. It would be boring and functional and no one would care.

Re: The Macaroni in ‘Yankee Doodle’

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Some dumb American came around driving an abomination. Clipped a tie onto his shirt and called it sophistication.

Brooklyn hipster came to town In an '83 Mercedes, Slapped a moustache on his lip And belted out "Mmmm'ladies."

Brooklyn has 2.6 million residents, a couple of them aren't hipsters.

You're probably thinking of Williamsburg, which the hipsters were priced out of long ago, into Bushwick. Those hipsters are now being priced out to Ridgewood (Queens).

Go into Brownsville and let me know how many hipsters you see.

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