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Just Use Email – How to Use Email for Everything
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Re: Just Use Email – How to Use Email for Everything
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'll give you an up-vote because I think a variety of different viewpoints is important, but I'm very much in the e-mail camp. My biggest reason is simply: it's the only ubiquitous, decentralized, open protocol that I can think of. I can run my own server if I want, an I can interact with anybody with an e-mail address . Sure, there was XMPP for IM, but that doesn't have wide adoption; same with other protocols.
You really can't run your on email server nowadays though, you need to have been running one for several decades otherwise the email common email providers(gmail, outlook) will automatically just assume its spam. Also due to the way extensions added to the email protocol configuring and learning how to properly configure it so it gets accepted will be a dayjob.
If you want clean IPs for self-hosting a mail server, you can use a service we created called Hoppy Network:
Our IP addresses are not on any blacklists, and we don't block SMTP or mail ports.
Re: Just Use Email – How to Use Email for Everything
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
> perhaps 4-6 false positives in the spam folder a month That's 4-6 valid messages a month the average user will never see.
I disagree, I think "check your spam" is fairly widely understood.
I think the fact that “check your spam” is so widely understood is a testament to false positives in the inbox being an issue for Gmail.
Ideally this phrase would not be so widely known and understood if Gmail didn’t have so many false positives going to the spam folder. I’d imagine that, as a performance metric, the Gmail team would consider false positives to be a metric for improvement, not a metric of pride.
Re: Just Use Email – How to Use Email for Everything
#44I'm on the exact opposite end of the spectrum. I haven't used email outside of work for many years now, and don't miss it one bit. And even at work most communication now happens on Slack. The digital world has evolved since 1997, and email simply hasn't kept up. I skimmed a couple articles on the blog and my biggest problem with it is that the author is making a social rather than technological argument (which are a…
I'll give you an up-vote because I think a variety of different viewpoints is important, but I'm very much in the e-mail camp. My biggest reason is simply: it's the only ubiquitous, decentralized, open protocol that I can think of. I can run my own server if I want, an I can interact with anybody with an e-mail address . Sure, there was XMPP for IM, but that doesn't have wide adoption; same with other protocols.
Signal is an open protocol and supports E2E encrypted text, voice and video.
Re: Just Use Email – How to Use Email for Everything
#45Well, you can certainly blog using just email: https://PublicEmails.com . Disclaimer: it's one of my side projects.
I also built http://feedsub.com for RSS to inbox. There's better tools out there nowadays but I find it useful.
Re: Just Use Email – How to Use Email for Everything
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’d be interested to hear what good email tools look like if you have a chance to post some examples.
The good ones are fairly technical, but there are services that make them easier. Sieve or procmail filters and clients like macOS Mail.app and mutt are good ones. My main email client is macOS Mail.app and it's pretty great when configured properly in conjunction with serverside preprocessing/filtering.
You have called people rubes and not provided any examples of this proper configuration. Dissapointing and trollish.
Re: Just Use Email – How to Use Email for Everything
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
You really can't run your on email server nowadays though, you need to have been running one for several decades otherwise the email common email providers(gmail, outlook) will automatically just assume its spam. Also due to the way extensions added to the email protocol configuring and learning how to properly configure it so it gets accepted will be a dayjob.
If you want clean IPs for self-hosting a mail server, you can use a service we created called Hoppy Network: https://hoppy.network Our IP addresses are not on any blacklists, and we don't block SMTP or mail ports.
that's very interesting, thanks!
Re: Just Use Email – How to Use Email for Everything
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
You really can't run your on email server nowadays though, you need to have been running one for several decades otherwise the email common email providers(gmail, outlook) will automatically just assume its spam. Also due to the way extensions added to the email protocol configuring and learning how to properly configure it so it gets accepted will be a dayjob.
I just switched my long running SMTP to a new IP. I've got SPF, DKIM and DMARC all dialed in. I'm not getting tagged as spam. Even when I add new domains to this host for sending - still gets through to G, Y and MS based services.
As SPF, DKIM and DMARC have become more widely implemented, is IP reputation less of a factor than it used to be in spam detection algorithms? This is just my speculation, but it seems plausible.
Re: Just Use Email – How to Use Email for Everything
#49I'm on the exact opposite end of the spectrum. I haven't used email outside of work for many years now, and don't miss it one bit. And even at work most communication now happens on Slack. The digital world has evolved since 1997, and email simply hasn't kept up. I skimmed a couple articles on the blog and my biggest problem with it is that the author is making a social rather than technological argument (which are a…
Today was an old friend's birthday. We haven't really talked in years. Figured I'd send him a happy birthday note. You know what still works after 15 years? Email. Now, will he _see_ that email? Hope so.
Re: Just Use Email – How to Use Email for Everything
#50I'm on the exact opposite end of the spectrum. I haven't used email outside of work for many years now, and don't miss it one bit. And even at work most communication now happens on Slack. The digital world has evolved since 1997, and email simply hasn't kept up. I skimmed a couple articles on the blog and my biggest problem with it is that the author is making a social rather than technological argument (which are a…
That's the obvious stance to take though. The point is that IM has problems, IMO the largest of which is that all prevalent platforms are privately owned services rather than being a protocol like email is. Sure you may have a gmail address, but you can talk freely to any other email address. That's not the case for iMessage vs FB Messenger vs Slack vs Signal vs WhatsApp vs TikTok vs Telegram vs hundreds if not thousands of other independent platforms.
My understanding is that this is the point of Matrix, i.e. to create an open protocol that you can use for IM regardless of who serves your messages.
But the point of saying "just use email" is that we don't need anything new, we just need to shift our idea of what email is. It's only slow and clunky because we still think if it as such. Our email clients and infrastructure are all built around email being something you get around to checking, like a digital version of your physical mailbox. But it doesn't have to be this way. You have a uniquely identifying email address, and everyone you know does too, this should be all we need to have communication that's as responsive and highly compatible as we want/need it to be.