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Introduction to Pluto.jl

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Re: Introduction to Pluto.jl

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Post by jaegerpicker »

dash2 wrote: post #11
nerdponx wrote: post #6

I really wish the Julia ecosystem would stop assuming that you always interact with your computer through the Julia REPL and started supporting proper command line interfaces. This is one of the big annoyances and mistakes of the R ecosystem, and I think it's unwise to carry that mistake over to Julia. Also, big "ugh" to browser-based tooling. I want to browse webpages in my browser, I don't want to do my data scienc…

Big ugh to browser based tooling, and yet also continued unification around Jupyter? Are there any plans to have a non-browser Jupyter?

I use PyCharm's Juypter plugin and it's seemed far better for me. I work in Python everyday but I'm more on the data engineering and app security/architecture side of things than straight up Data Science. I don't use notebook's as often as I'd like but I live in PyCharm.

Re: Introduction to Pluto.jl

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Post by jaegerpicker »

Iwan-Zotow wrote: post #18
dash2 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Big ugh to browser based tooling, and yet also continued unification around Jupyter? Are there any plans to have a non-browser Jupyter?

> Are there any plans to have a non-browser Jupyter? Sure. VSCode with python and Jupyter extensions

Is VSCode's Jupyter extension much better than PyCharm's? Just curious, I prefer PyCharm over VSCode for normal python dev work. By a lot but I get it's personal preference, so I'm curious.

Re: Introduction to Pluto.jl

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Post by krastanov »

borodi wrote: post #26

For those that are put off byt the "weird" cell execution behavior there is also https://github.com/compleathorseplayer/Neptune.jl A non reactive fork of Pluto that has basically all the benefits of pluto and multi-line cell execution without begin without the reactive behaviour. Also running code blocks with inline results in vscode also has some notebook feel to me.

Why would someone use Neptune instead of just using Jupyter? I see how Pluto has a new value proposition that Jupyter lacks (reactivity), but it looks to me like Neptune simply removes that value.

Re: Introduction to Pluto.jl

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Post by nerdponx »

pdeffebach wrote: post #39
nerdponx wrote: post #6

I really wish the Julia ecosystem would stop assuming that you always interact with your computer through the Julia REPL and started supporting proper command line interfaces. This is one of the big annoyances and mistakes of the R ecosystem, and I think it's unwise to carry that mistake over to Julia. Also, big "ugh" to browser-based tooling. I want to browse webpages in my browser, I don't want to do my data scienc…

Plenty of people use the REPL in terminal and sublime text or vim or whatever. I also dislike browser-based tooling and think Julia has done a good job avoiding Rstudio-style dependencies. But if your point is the inability to do `julia script.jl` , yeah thats a pain point. Fortunately there has been some tooling to make running many jobs in a row easier: https://github.com/dmolina/DaemonMode.jl

Right.

I was also a bit harsh; you can at least do `julia -e 'using Pluto' -e 'Pluto.run()'`.

Re: Introduction to Pluto.jl

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Post by nerdponx »

thenoblesunfish wrote: post #17
nerdponx wrote: post #6

I really wish the Julia ecosystem would stop assuming that you always interact with your computer through the Julia REPL and started supporting proper command line interfaces. This is one of the big annoyances and mistakes of the R ecosystem, and I think it's unwise to carry that mistake over to Julia. Also, big "ugh" to browser-based tooling. I want to browse webpages in my browser, I don't want to do my data scienc…

Is Julia different from Python in this regard? I use Python mostly by executing scripts, but it’s nice to have the REPL and IPython and Jupyter. With Julia I’m free to just run “julia script.jl”, aren’t I? There’s probably more to your complaint than I naively realize, though. Maybe Python has better IDE support?

Python has a decent command line argument parser in its standard library, and there are several even-better options in the 3rd party library ecosystem, e.g. https://pypi.org/project/click/.

Re: Introduction to Pluto.jl

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Post by joshday »

LetThereBeLight wrote: post #34

I know that this site mentions MIT's Introduction to Computational Thinking course, but the hyperlink doesn't send me there. For those interested in seeing Pluto in action I highly recommend checking out the course notebooks here: https://computationalthinking.mit.edu/Spring21/

My apologies! I’ve fixed the link.

Re: Introduction to Pluto.jl

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Post by extr »

nerdponx wrote: post #6

I really wish the Julia ecosystem would stop assuming that you always interact with your computer through the Julia REPL and started supporting proper command line interfaces. This is one of the big annoyances and mistakes of the R ecosystem, and I think it's unwise to carry that mistake over to Julia. Also, big "ugh" to browser-based tooling. I want to browse webpages in my browser, I don't want to do my data scienc…

Confession: after doing Data Science work for the past 4 years I STILL don't really understand why people like Jupyter.

R was my first programming language and I got really spoiled with RStudio where everything "just works" and the "highlight code -> run in REPL" workflow is super smooth and tightly integrated. All I want is for that to work in other languages, but it seems like if you want it in Python you need to be running PyCharm or a similarly-heavyweight IDE (seriously, despite all the hype of VSCode there are still a ton of issues with just highlighting code and running it in an IPython terminal) and for Julia it just doesn't exist. If you really want a Jupyter-like workflow you can just use R Notebooks, which are literally just better in every way.

Re: Introduction to Pluto.jl

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Post by leephillips »

pdeffebach wrote: post #39
nerdponx wrote: post #6

I really wish the Julia ecosystem would stop assuming that you always interact with your computer through the Julia REPL and started supporting proper command line interfaces. This is one of the big annoyances and mistakes of the R ecosystem, and I think it's unwise to carry that mistake over to Julia. Also, big "ugh" to browser-based tooling. I want to browse webpages in my browser, I don't want to do my data scienc…

Plenty of people use the REPL in terminal and sublime text or vim or whatever. I also dislike browser-based tooling and think Julia has done a good job avoiding Rstudio-style dependencies. But if your point is the inability to do `julia script.jl` , yeah thats a pain point. Fortunately there has been some tooling to make running many jobs in a row easier: https://github.com/dmolina/DaemonMode.jl

How is it that I do `julia script.jl` all the time? Or by “inability” do you mean that it’s slow because of the startup time? If you need a utility that starts up instantly, create a sysimage.

Re: Introduction to Pluto.jl

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Post by nerdponx »

extr wrote: post #47
nerdponx wrote: post #6

I really wish the Julia ecosystem would stop assuming that you always interact with your computer through the Julia REPL and started supporting proper command line interfaces. This is one of the big annoyances and mistakes of the R ecosystem, and I think it's unwise to carry that mistake over to Julia. Also, big "ugh" to browser-based tooling. I want to browse webpages in my browser, I don't want to do my data scienc…

Confession: after doing Data Science work for the past 4 years I STILL don't really understand why people like Jupyter. R was my first programming language and I got really spoiled with RStudio where everything "just works" and the "highlight code -> run in REPL" workflow is super smooth and tightly integrated. All I want is for that to work in other languages, but it seems like if you want it in Python you need to b…

Spyder is basically an RStudio clone for Python, but I never had a great experience using it. Not really sure why, somehow I just ended up using Jupyter because that's what my coworkers all used. When doing "solo" stuff, it doesn't matter because I dislike every interface so I'm never happy anyway...

Re: Introduction to Pluto.jl

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Post by leephillips »

lacker wrote: post #28
nerdponx wrote: post #6

I really wish the Julia ecosystem would stop assuming that you always interact with your computer through the Julia REPL and started supporting proper command line interfaces. This is one of the big annoyances and mistakes of the R ecosystem, and I think it's unwise to carry that mistake over to Julia. Also, big "ugh" to browser-based tooling. I want to browse webpages in my browser, I don't want to do my data scienc…

To me this seems like an improvement in the direction that you want, in particular that notebooks are reactive. All too often I get a Jupyter notebook from someone else and try to run it on my machine only to find that some intermediate step does not work any more, because the original developer ran something out of order or removed a critical step. A reactive notebook seems more likely to still work after a lot of c…

Not just more likely, it will work. Pluto notebooks are deterministic, and do not have the hidden global state that plagues Jupyter.
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