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Why do drum sets have descending toms?

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Re: Why do drum sets have descending toms?

#41

I tried to find the answer in the text but wasn't able to. It seems to be stuffed to the extreme with related information and anecdotes. Making the central point almost impossible to grasp. If it is in there at all. As I said, I could not find it. Was text written like this before the days of SEO?

The headline is a bit ambiguous, but by descending he means having greater depth as the pitch lowers.

Re: Why do drum sets have descending toms?

#42
Absolutly amazed to see this article on Hacker News.

This guy (the author) is the real deal. I once had the pleasure to visit his workshop and he had me test a bass drum he recently made. An amazing piece indeed. Just a gentle tap from the beater and it produced a rich and powerful but quiet sound!

I often hear famous and extraordinary drummers on Youtube state that playing quiet is a skill every drummer can acquire. Yes, but no: It really does depend on the instrument as well if that sounds good! And most drums just aren’t made for it.

Re: Why do drum sets have descending toms?

#43
post #42

Absolutly amazed to see this article on Hacker News. This guy (the author) is the real deal. I once had the pleasure to visit his workshop and he had me test a bass drum he recently made. An amazing piece indeed. Just a gentle tap from the beater and it produced a rich and powerful but quiet sound! I often hear famous and extraordinary drummers on Youtube state that playing quiet is a skill every drummer can acquire.…

I'm glad that the "loudness war" in general seems to be over, and people focus more on quality, mixing and mastering rather than making things sound as loud as possible, especially when it comes to electronic music. Similarly as what you said, you know when a mix is very well made when it sounds good when you're playing it on low volume, not when it sounds good on high volume.

Re: Why do drum sets have descending toms?

#44

As a (wannabe) prog rock drummer I prefer to damp toms a lot to reduce their decay, so that their tonal characteristics while remaining audible don't get in the way of other instruments. Jazz drummers will probably (and rightfully) disagree.

As you have hinted at different styles benefit from different approaches (sounds). There is no right or wrong.

Re: Why do drum sets have descending toms?

#45
post #42

Absolutly amazed to see this article on Hacker News. This guy (the author) is the real deal. I once had the pleasure to visit his workshop and he had me test a bass drum he recently made. An amazing piece indeed. Just a gentle tap from the beater and it produced a rich and powerful but quiet sound! I often hear famous and extraordinary drummers on Youtube state that playing quiet is a skill every drummer can acquire.…

I'm glad that the "loudness war" in general seems to be over, and people focus more on quality, mixing and mastering rather than making things sound as loud as possible, especially when it comes to electronic music. Similarly as what you said, you know when a mix is very well made when it sounds good when you're playing it on low volume, not when it sounds good on high volume.

To my mind it's the other way around. A "loud" recording with little dynamics sounds OK at lower volume; the listening fatigue sets in when the volume is increased. A dynamic recording, on the other hand, often sounds great when you turn up the volume and can really hear the difference between soft and loud sounds.

Re: Why do drum sets have descending toms?

#46
post #21

Hm the author mentions several times that he builds drums. And I would like to check out his drums, but there isn't a clear place to view them? That said, the point he makes is a good one, and one seems obvious in retrospect!

The name of the company is in a box at the end of the post. It's called Adoro Drums https://www.adoro-drums.com/en

I think this is his USA shop/distributor. https://silent-sticks.com

Re: Why do drum sets have descending toms?

#47
post #42

Absolutly amazed to see this article on Hacker News. This guy (the author) is the real deal. I once had the pleasure to visit his workshop and he had me test a bass drum he recently made. An amazing piece indeed. Just a gentle tap from the beater and it produced a rich and powerful but quiet sound! I often hear famous and extraordinary drummers on Youtube state that playing quiet is a skill every drummer can acquire.…

I'm glad that the "loudness war" in general seems to be over, and people focus more on quality, mixing and mastering rather than making things sound as loud as possible, especially when it comes to electronic music. Similarly as what you said, you know when a mix is very well made when it sounds good when you're playing it on low volume, not when it sounds good on high volume.

Nitpick: the "loudness war" is about mastering / compressing a recording so that it sounds louder at any given volume, it doesn't really have anything to do with optimizing things so they sound better at high volumes or a preference for loud sounding instruments.

Re: Why do drum sets have descending toms?

#48
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> Just as guitarists have cut back on amp power and now focus on tone As much as I would like to think that this is true, all the concerts I went to prior to Covid had WAAAAAY too much freakin' bass. These were bands with vocal and guitar gods and the bass was cranked up to like 9000 such that you could barely make out the vocals and guitars if the bass was playing. The best audio at a concert I had was the one where…

>> As much as I would like to think that this is true, all the concerts I went to prior to Covid had WAAAAAY too much freakin' bass. These were bands with vocal and guitar gods and the bass was cranked up to like 9000 such that you could barely make out the vocals and guitars if the bass was playing.

That's not a band. That's a bunch of people playing at the same time.

Re: Why do drum sets have descending toms?

#49
The history here seems a bit cherry-picked and rock-focused. Hard to imagine that a lot of the work in establishing tom dimensions wouldn't have happened during the big band era, especially since for quite a while drummers were often the band leaders and there were even staged drum battles. Louie Bellson in particular had some epic drum sets with double bass drums and odd tom arrangements.

https://louiebellson.info/early-drumsets

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