Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure • Hacker News Board

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

#41

Post by foxylad » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 1:51 AM UTC

Can HN please add a filter for these increasingly lame "Google cancels all the stuff" posts?

Yes, Google has cancelled services, but they've all been free things that they had every right to decide would never increase revenue. Why should Google have to keep everything they ever built running for ever?

If you pay for services from Google, then it's a completely different story. We've used Appengine for 12 years now, and every time they've decided to deprecate services, there's always plenty of notice, a superior replacement, and usually lower costs.

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

#42

Post by tantalor » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 1:51 AM UTC

tarikjn wrote: post #9

Google generally does not come off to me as having a great customer support culture. To appreciate the scale of the issue, take a look at the hoops and blackboxes merchants who want to be listed on Google Shopping have to go through and all the horror stories online. I did notice on Google Workspace and Google One that they do seem to be trying to improve the support experience.

Can you give an example or link? Not very useful comment otherwise.

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

#43

Post by omar_kha » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 1:52 AM UTC

I thought this was going to be written by someone who uses it a large scale. from a customer service point of view, is Microsoft the best ? Is Google the most secure? Is Amazon the simplest to enter?

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

#44

Post by throwaway894345 » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 1:54 AM UTC

slenk wrote: post #28

latch wrote: post #20

I'm one of those "you'll get my baremetal and systemd out of my dead cold hands", kind of guy. But I have reasonable exposure to both AWS and GC and I can say that, by far, Google Cloud is easier to reason about. As a consequence, it's much harder to misconfigure. The 2 large AWS deploys I've seen have, at best, had billing issues no one really understood (incl AWS), and at worse, security issues. Complaining that ma…

From my side - I have never seen an easy Google Cloud deploy but have no problems working with AWS.

I just completed a migration from AWS to GCP. My experience was previously entirely AWS, but GCP has been really nice. GCP has fewer features (e.g., no scheduled filestore backups), but GKE is far and away better than EKS and the overall console UX is far better as well. There’s also generally less to understand and thus misconfigure, and far fewer half-baked features to wade through to find the happy path (I’ve spent way too much time using CloudFormation).

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

#45

Post by thayne » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 1:55 AM UTC

cmeacham98 wrote: post #4

I don't know, seems to be mostly filled with speculation and anecdotes. I can find similar anecdotes of bad behavior by Amzon, for example claims of using AWS to steal its users' business ideas[1]. Admittedly, the original author's title of "Why I distrust Google Cloud more than AWS or Azure" much better describes their position than the editorialized title of the HN submitter ("Why Google Cloud is less trustworthy t…

I can't speak to Azure, but while AWS has a policy of never discontinuing services or features, even if they are replaced by something else, whereas GCP does discontinue entire services (although if it is generally available they have to give 12 months notice according to the terms of service).

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

#46

Post by RKearney » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 1:56 AM UTC

GCP doesn't really support IPv6 at all. Sure you can terminate IPv6 on a load balancer and then proxy the connections over IPv4 back to your instances, but you can't get native IPv6 on an instance.

It's that type of shortcoming that leads me to believe Google does not see a future in this product.

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

#47

Post by [deleted] » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 1:58 AM UTC

RKearney wrote: post #46

GCP doesn't really support IPv6 at all. Sure you can terminate IPv6 on a load balancer and then proxy the connections over IPv4 back to your instances, but you can't get native IPv6 on an instance. It's that type of shortcoming that leads me to believe Google does not see a future in this product.

[deleted]

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

#48

Post by igorhvr » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 2:03 AM UTC

shadowgovt wrote: post #14

I'm not sure what the author (or Yegge, for that matter) expect a good timeframe to be for deprecating services. Anecdotally, Google announced the changeover of Cloud logging API versions in October of 2016, with a 5-month ramp (October to March) to switch from the v1 beta API to the v2 beta API. Five months is nearly two quarters, which is quite a long window for a beta API IMHO. That having been said, Google's habi…

About deprecation: the gold standard is what AWS is doing with SimpleDB: essentially, never.

The thing here is that if you run hundreds of services in production - many of which work smoothly and you don't need to touch often, you will find that Google's habit of forcing you to change how to use their tooling will generate a huge burden...

They discourage you from using it and make it clear that for every use case some other tool at AWS would be best, and have been doing so for several years now... They wont even list it anymore under https://aws.amazon.com/products/databases/ ..

Still, they support it ( https://aws.amazon.com/simpledb/ ) because there are customers with legacy systems that depend upon this service.

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

#49

Post by fortyrod » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 2:04 AM UTC

XorNot wrote: post #27

fortyrod wrote: post #22

Probably would have been better for the author to have taken the "don't sell out to a single cloud vendor API" angle. But I guess no clicky-baits for that approach. I've been screwed over by both AWS and Azure, and never by GCloud, but that doesn't mean I trust any of them.

The best (silliest) business model I've seen is the new thing of vendors promising to make you cross-cloud...via locking you into the platform offered by the vendor (which is usually entirely hosted on one specific cloud provider anyway). There's valid reasons to support multiple providers, but that is definitely not one of them.

Indeed. The thing that caused me to actually move stuff off AWS to GCP was that you could deploy generic Node Express apps as Firebase Cloud Functions (and then Cloud Run). I knew I could move those anywhere if I needed to.

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

#50

Post by asciimike » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 2:05 AM UTC

smiley1437 wrote: post #18

elchief wrote: post #10

has GCP cancelled products? Or is that just Google

Google cancels products so frequently that no matter now cool it may seem I rarely even bother checking them out - I can't stand becoming reliant and then having the rug pulled out from under me https://killedbygoogle.com/ Honestly the list hilariously long!

That didn't answer the question ;)

GCP does deprecate products (former App Engine PM here, deprecated many APIs), but it's definitely less frequent than the "Google deprecates everything" memers want you to believe, and there's a minimum 12 month deprecation period before literally anything is deprecated.