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Re: India’s second wave

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Post by notsureaboutpg »

qart wrote: post #25

Lockdowns hurt poor people very badly; they need to earn to survive. All the more reason everyone should mask up. And yet, most people stopped masking months ago. Crowds are as bad as they were in 2019. On top of that, doctors here have created a craze for remdesivir, resulting in a blackmarket for it. The central and state governments have mismanaged plenty of things. While they deserve their share of blame, the ord…

I think putting the blame on people for weddings, religious ceremonies (aka normal everyday life which is going to happen, even during the Afghanistan War people had wedding celebrations despite the danger) is misguided.

Governments are getting rightful blame. I think the media also don't help. How many stupid news outlets were saying that Indian people have some kind of genetic immunity to COVID with absolutely no evidence of any such thing? That affects people more than one wedding.

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Post by inglor_cz »

Clewza313 wrote: post #37
_djo_ wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is inaccurate. COVID-19 has been far deadlier than any of those already-devastating existing diseases and conditions in places like India, South Africa, and Brazil. In South Africa for instance, COVID-19 killed more people in 2020 than HIV/AIDS or TB.

HIV, malaria, and many other diseases endemic to the third world target people in the prime of life, wreaking havoc on families. By contrast, most (not all, but most) deaths from COVID are the elderly. Any mention of this tends to bring on "how dare you say one life is more valuable than another" downvotes, but since this thread is considering economic impact, it's a relevant factor.

"By contrast, most (not all, but most) deaths from COVID are the elderly."

In the developed world. Are you sure that this is true in Africa?

Because if someone already has HIV or TBC, I can imagine Covid giving him the final push, even though the patient is only 35.

Re: India’s second wave

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Post by capybara_2020 »

rataata_jr wrote: post #5

Not leading to deaths, but just increasing case numbers, that is good news.

It is putting people into a very precarious financial situation. I know more that a few people who have to borrow a lot of money when their loved ones ended up in hospital and the long term effects are unknown with people being put in the ICU with a 70% loss in lung function. And then being discharged either because they can no longer afford to pay or because they test negative for Covid but still have a host of heath issues.

Re: India’s second wave

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Post by hunter-2 »

The fact that the official numbers are through the roof tell you how bad the unofficial (and real) numbers are.

In the past week, there have been reports from several cities where the number of Covid deaths are measured in single digits - yet crematoriums are so full that people have started cremating their dead ones on sidewalks.

Re: India’s second wave

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Post by thecleaner »

throwaway4good wrote: post #7
rataata_jr wrote: post #5

Not leading to deaths, but just increasing case numbers, that is good news.

How reliable are the numbers coming out of India? Test positivity rates of 15% would suggest under-reporting / under-testing.

What are you talking about ? A random sample with positivity rate of 20percent would indicate one in 5 has covid. Why are you posting such conspiratorial comments with a throwaway account ?

Re: India’s second wave

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Post by usueye »

throwaway4good wrote: post #7
rataata_jr wrote: post #5

Not leading to deaths, but just increasing case numbers, that is good news.

How reliable are the numbers coming out of India? Test positivity rates of 15% would suggest under-reporting / under-testing.

It is under reported: https://scroll.in/article/992217/as-the-dead-pile-up-in-guja... https://thewire.in/government/ghaziabad-agra-jhansi-bareilly...

This is either to save the image of state or central govt.

Re: India’s second wave

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Post by hawk_ »

qart wrote: post #25

Lockdowns hurt poor people very badly; they need to earn to survive. All the more reason everyone should mask up. And yet, most people stopped masking months ago. Crowds are as bad as they were in 2019. On top of that, doctors here have created a craze for remdesivir, resulting in a blackmarket for it. The central and state governments have mismanaged plenty of things. While they deserve their share of blame, the ord…

haven't been keeping up with updates from there but what's with vaccinated people getting the disease? is that common there due double mutant variant(s)?

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Post by vondro »

corty wrote: post #34
_djo_ wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is inaccurate. COVID-19 has been far deadlier than any of those already-devastating existing diseases and conditions in places like India, South Africa, and Brazil. In South Africa for instance, COVID-19 killed more people in 2020 than HIV/AIDS or TB.

That those diseases have a lower death-count today is a consequence of the havoc they have brought historically and of the current disruption they cause in isolating the infected, vaccinations, necessary medications and hospital beds, etc. In all likelyhood COVID-19 will go the way of the spanish flu (with or without vaccination only changes the time it takes) and become less of a problem due to partial immunity in t…

Isn't HIV mostly a solved problem nowadays? Genuine question.

Re: India’s second wave

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Post by KaiserPro »

_djo_ wrote: post #29
corty wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, a source of havoc, maybe. But one among many, there is still Malaria, Tuberculosis, Dengue Fever, Ebola, HIV. All with far more significant consequences. That we are worrying as much about Corona as we do in the West is a consequence of those ailments being (mostly) irrelevant here.

This is inaccurate. COVID-19 has been far deadlier than any of those already-devastating existing diseases and conditions in places like India, South Africa, and Brazil. In South Africa for instance, COVID-19 killed more people in 2020 than HIV/AIDS or TB.

Your assertion lacks nuance

TB, AIDs and poor sanitation are killers, and more deadly.

but with the exception of a cholera outbreak, they are chronic. That is, take a long time.

Covid is acute and causes services to be overwhelmed, which causes higher mortality for everyone.

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