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Boris Johnson cancels India trip amid rising cases

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Re: Boris Johnson cancels India trip amid rising cases

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It's surprising how much worse the covid situation has recently got in India. If you look at the cases graph https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/ I'm not sure how it's gone from declining in Jan to super exponential in Mar/April?

could be the new variants? Or changes in the weather/humidity, what is usually happening during these months in india?

Beginning of the summer months.

Re: Boris Johnson cancels India trip amid rising cases

#42
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2 major festivals, Holi and Kumbh Mela (attended by over 2m people with no social distancing or anything), massive election rallies in multiple states. Poor vaccination drive. A double mutant variant of the virus that seems to be faster spreading. Medical system collapsing, almost everything that could go wrong is going wrong.

- Why single out Holi and Kumbh, where there are large gatherings like political Farmers' protests, Ramadan and other religious gatherings are still going on, while the Kumbh (where entry into the district was with RT-PCR negative certificates) & has been called off at the Prime Minister's request. - The majority of cases come from Maharshtra: 670388, UP:191457, Karnataka:133543, Chattisgargh:128019, Kerala:93683,Del…

Kerala just had a major election [1] .

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Kerala_Legislative_Assemb...

Re: Boris Johnson cancels India trip amid rising cases

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The relationship between these two countries must be pretty awkward. The former colonizer is now a failing nation, while the colonized has the future.

India and UK have essentially the same nominal GDP, while UK probably has ~ 1/20 the population. This despite not seeing none of the violent conflicts of East/SE Asia, either during the great war or after that. India consciously inherited the draconian colonial system of the past century, with all its inherent builtin cruelties, and has shown neither intent, nor any inclinations of changing this. It clearly serves th…

> inherited the draconian colonial system of the past century, with all its inherent builtin cruelties, and has shown neither intent, nor any inclinations of changing this. It clearly serves the elite well to have this setup with a meek and famished population.

This could not be farther away form the truth.

India has one of the most aggressive affirmative action policies in the world. It is also quite socialistic in its setup with a huge among of social welfare, as compared to the taxes the Govt. collects.

As for the inherited bureaucracy, one thing Modi has done is reduce the power of the bureaucracy and try to move things into free markets. However, every attempt of such a thing leads either to international outrage (farmers protests) or internal protests led by the opposition.

> A country with such mental handicap will go more in the way of sub-saharan Africa with all its meaningless violence. Once the candles of the old civilization are finally extinguished, I expect a lot more violence. If anything India will end up as another basket case, and require a lot more humanitarian aid.

That's quite the leap of logic there.

India has a 1 billion people problem. Everything has a ton of inertia. It takes a lot to get the ball rolling here, but on the flip side, the flywheel effect keeps the momentum going even when faced with small bumps.

That being said, no amount of momentum can avoid a ditch like Demonetization.

Re: Boris Johnson cancels India trip amid rising cases

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One word: variant. Variant B1617 has emerged and India and seems like it could be driving a surge. There's not a lot of data yet on that variant's transmissibility and lethality but it has already been detected in the UK. Thus far it doesn't seem to be as dangerous as the Brazilian P1 variant, but could be trouble just the same.

Although the variant is in the U.K it's not yet believed to have come from overseas travel. So maybe this is a variant that has a higher likelihood of mutation in a specific demographic (e.g. Indian). Speculation at this point to be honest.

Huh? There are flights arriving daily from India, India was where the strain was first detected months ago, and in some parts of India it is the predominant strain. Neither of the two mutations that strain has acquired match the mutation that the B117 (which now dominates the UK and in process of dominating US) strain has.

Multiple trails of evidence pointing to it's emergence in India, and right now the UK is not restricting travel from India so the most likely scenario is that it arrived in the UK from someone who traveled to India or another country where that strain is spreading.

Re: Boris Johnson cancels India trip amid rising cases

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One word: variant. Variant B1617 has emerged and India and seems like it could be driving a surge. There's not a lot of data yet on that variant's transmissibility and lethality but it has already been detected in the UK. Thus far it doesn't seem to be as dangerous as the Brazilian P1 variant, but could be trouble just the same.

Although the variant is in the U.K it's not yet believed to have come from overseas travel. So maybe this is a variant that has a higher likelihood of mutation in a specific demographic (e.g. Indian). Speculation at this point to be honest.

> So maybe this is a variant that has a higher likelihood of mutation in a specific demographic (e.g. Indian).

Is this a thing that's known to have occurred in other viruses? It seems rather unlikely compared to the chance that it came from someone asymptomatic or someone who skipped over the border controls via boat or something like that.

I'd be careful speculating over demographics. There's been a wave of violence against Asian (largely Chinese, Japanese and Korean) people in the US, believed to be caused at least in part by our former president accusing China of accidentally releasing the virus. I wouldn't want some populist to latch on to this theory and start blaming Indian people for variants.

Re: Boris Johnson cancels India trip amid rising cases

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3 hours is just long-ish? I'd classify that as a very long wait.

Compared to what? That’s shorter than many voting lines in last US election. Shorter than waiting for an unscheduled bus in many countries. I agree it’s longer than I’d like but it’s all perspective.

Compared to everything? I don't think I've waited anywhere for more than an hour in my life. Maybe a ride in an amusement park or in traffic, but that would be it. Certainly not to vote or get a shot.

Re: Boris Johnson cancels India trip amid rising cases

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Although the variant is in the U.K it's not yet believed to have come from overseas travel. So maybe this is a variant that has a higher likelihood of mutation in a specific demographic (e.g. Indian). Speculation at this point to be honest.

Huh? There are flights arriving daily from India, India was where the strain was first detected months ago, and in some parts of India it is the predominant strain. Neither of the two mutations that strain has acquired match the mutation that the B117 (which now dominates the UK and in process of dominating US) strain has. Multiple trails of evidence pointing to it's emergence in India, and right now the UK is not re…

They will restrict from Friday https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-56806103

Re: Boris Johnson cancels India trip amid rising cases

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post #2

The relationship between these two countries must be pretty awkward. The former colonizer is now a failing nation, while the colonized has the future.

India and UK have essentially the same nominal GDP, while UK probably has ~ 1/20 the population. This despite not seeing none of the violent conflicts of East/SE Asia, either during the great war or after that. India consciously inherited the draconian colonial system of the past century, with all its inherent builtin cruelties, and has shown neither intent, nor any inclinations of changing this. It clearly serves th…

I think the Indians are being smart by teaching their kids English. It's the language of the world and it enables them to get jobs in the global market.

Also, your assertion that Indians don't actually understand English is stupid to say the least and justifies your creation of an anonymous account.

Re: Boris Johnson cancels India trip amid rising cases

#49
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> like value maximizing machines. thats the job of a head of state

More like the Tal Shiar, if we’re using Trek references — politicians don’t try to deny emotions.

they should, it's just a job, not their personal drama

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post #14

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It’s somewhat crazy that I can’t tell without clicking whether this is about Modi or Johnson.

Interesting. FWIW, Modi doesn’t have that kind of reputation in the sections of the UK news that I follow.

Yes I assumed you meant Modi as well. Regardless of how I feel about both of them. It could happen any time two “populist” leaders are brought up that way.
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