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The Story of the SolarWinds Hack

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Re: The Story of the SolarWinds Hack

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post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> do them on build farms by build software that is the only thing able to access the release signing keys You're aware that this is exactly what solarwinds did, right?

Well and then harden that obv

Which they did. The problem of hardening your build infrastructure against someone who has admin access for months is... non-trivial.

This boils down to the question of should average companies be including the Russian intelligence services in their threat model? To paraphrase James Mickens great USENIX paper, if your threat model includes the SVR, you're going to be SVR'd upon.

Re: The Story of the SolarWinds Hack

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> But as CrowdStrike's decryption program chewed its way through the zeroes and ones, Meyers' heart sank. The crime scene was a bust. It had been wiped down That's a lot of words to say, we don't know who did it. I had a quick look but couldn't find anything, why are the fingers being pointed at Russia?

Tool use, essentially. Of course that could be spoofed, but I think that's the origin of the claim.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-cyber-solarwinds/s...

Re: The Story of the SolarWinds Hack

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Anyone know how the software update was actually compromised in the first place?

It’s kinda-sorta in the article. The hackers managed to put some hack into the Solarwinds build scripts.

Nice writing I guess, but, what allowed them to get into the build scripts?

Re: The Story of the SolarWinds Hack

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post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> do them on build farms by build software that is the only thing able to access the release signing keys You're aware that this is exactly what solarwinds did, right?

Well and then harden that obv

how are you smart

Re: The Story of the SolarWinds Hack

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Anyone know how the software update was actually compromised in the first place?

The wiki page on the attack speculates an Office360 account was hacked. Presumably it was an account from an admin, and from there I could see them probing until finding credentials for the build system.

Re: The Story of the SolarWinds Hack

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post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> do them on build farms by build software that is the only thing able to access the release signing keys You're aware that this is exactly what solarwinds did, right?

Well and then harden that obv

pro tip: don't get hacked in the first place, it will avoid trouble down the line ! /s

Re: The Story of the SolarWinds Hack

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post #14

How fortuitous is it that a months long investigation can be published right when the US announces sanctions? Great job National Radio! Like razor blades in peanut butter cups , says CrowdStrike.

> By design, the hack appeared to work only under very specific circumstances. Its victims had to download the tainted update and then actually deploy it. That was the first condition. The second was that their compromised networks needed to be connected to the Internet, so the hackers could communicate with their servers. Yea, wow, thanks NPR. Hard hitting stuff right there. Those are “very specific circumstances” t…

That's a perfectly valid paragraph. In a decent environment, outbound internet access should be restricted to only the hosts / networks / ports that require it. Especially for server environments. Many servers running the backdoored Orion probably tried to beacon but failed for that reason. (And I'd assume the backdoor would probably first verify outbound internet access so that the failed beacon doesn't generate a firewall/ACL deny event that a security team might detect.)

Plus, the article is written to condense technical information into something that's as layman-friendly as possible. The specific malicious update has to be downloaded, and also installed, and also running on a server which can reach out to anything on the internet. Their point is that there are only going to be so many servers that both use this software and meet those conditions, and that's in part why the backdoor took so long to identify. This is maybe a little obvious to people with infosec knowledge, but definitely not obvious to their target audience.

The article timing is interesting, but I don't think a coincidence is that unlikely. If you read the whole article, it covers enough that I could see it taking months to make.

I don't think coordination with the government is that unlikely, either, or perhaps just a pragmatic editorial decision ("everyone knows sanctions are likely going to be placed sometime in the next few months, and maybe we should wait until then so we can include those details in the story"). Both of those scenarios are more likely than a coincidence, probably - but, either way, I think your post seems overly cynical in general.

Re: The Story of the SolarWinds Hack

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I‘m quite sure there are a lot of attacks like that. Most of them just never get noticed. The best backdoors are those, which are never found.

Well, usually highly targeted attacks are orchestrated with a reason.

You want to leverage your access to perform actions because you got get revealed\blocked even not intentionally.

Once you act, let's deploy some ransom, wipe some data, shut down power plants, you will be shown.

Keeping a perfectly stealth backdoor for years as environments, software and personal change is extremely difficult.

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