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Standard Notes is a safe place for your notes, thoughts, and life's work

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Re: Standard Notes is a safe place for your notes, thoughts, and life's work

#41

tried it left because of price, lack of options, lack of reliable sync https://joplinapp.org/ is far better and cheaper option

I use Joplin too, and export my notes to https://notes.stavros.io. If you want a site like that from your notes, you can use the script I wrote:

https://gitlab.com/stavros/notes/

It's a bit ad-hoc, but it works well.

Re: Standard Notes is a safe place for your notes, thoughts, and life's work

#42
Even though I mostly stay away from the Google ecosystem, I do use Keep for several years now. Mainly because of how easy it is to export notes as sorted individual html files that I can import as formatted text into Scrivener where I organize all my writing. I wish the native MacOS Notes app would be better but I lost once all of my notes after an iCloud error. Even Apple couldn't help me on the phone. The structure was still there on their servers, but strangely the notes were empty.

Re: Standard Notes is a safe place for your notes, thoughts, and life's work

#43

> Find out what it feels like to write with total privacy. This made me laugh. You mean like on a piece of paper?

A piece of paper doesn't have the same level of privacy as something like Standard Notes. Anyone who finds your written paper notes can read them. Standard Notes is encrypted, and password protected. It can't ever be read by the provider or the host (which is the major problem with the majority of syncing notes apps), and it can't be read by a nosy friend or family member, unless you leave your computer unlocked and…

I am 100% sure there is no root kit installed on my piece of paper transmitting every pen stroke to the internet. I am 100% sure there is no defect in the design of the piece of paper that could make it instantly readable to the entire world once discovered.

You can't say that about any software or hardware.

Re: Standard Notes is a safe place for your notes, thoughts, and life's work

#44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you know I'm not burning the notes afterward?

I mean, if you never want to read your notes again, sure, that's more secure. But writing stuff you will immediately burn and never want to read again in the future is such a different thing from using a syncing notes tool that the comparison doesn't really make sense.

I just thought the implication of the copy was funny, wasn't really making a serious comparison of every possible use case and threat model for pen and paper versus this tool. Each has its own advantages.

Re: Standard Notes is a safe place for your notes, thoughts, and life's work

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A piece of paper doesn't have the same level of privacy as something like Standard Notes. Anyone who finds your written paper notes can read them. Standard Notes is encrypted, and password protected. It can't ever be read by the provider or the host (which is the major problem with the majority of syncing notes apps), and it can't be read by a nosy friend or family member, unless you leave your computer unlocked and…

I am 100% sure there is no root kit installed on my piece of paper transmitting every pen stroke to the internet. I am 100% sure there is no defect in the design of the piece of paper that could make it instantly readable to the entire world once discovered. You can't say that about any software or hardware.

Private journaling is likely to end up encrypted forever and not accessible to the families of deceased persons. Sure, it could be argued that it was encrypted on purpose but one never knows. Someone may suddenly pass and their loved ones would never get access to this piece of their work even if the author intended to share it and never got to leave the encryption key (they never expected their sudden departure)

Sure, this same thing could be argued about electronic mail, computers and other encrypted devices but I feel something deeper would be lost a lot more often.

Imagine Kafka used an encryption tool on his work or countless of other silent authors whose work only came to life after their death when somebody else discovered it.

Re: Standard Notes is a safe place for your notes, thoughts, and life's work

#46
After almost a decade of use I moved away from Simple Note (originally with notational velocity...) to Standard Notes over a year ago (their obligate unencrypted cloud storage was a deal-breaker for me. I use standard notes for a more or less unfiltered brain dump, so security is my #1 priority), and have been pretty happy with it, using it cross-platform. The support is pretty good - the forums (well, the slack) are quite active.

There're one or two minor issues (not being able to search within individual notes, and some scrolling bugs on iOS iirc that I need to report at some point), but given that I'm using it across 4 platforms (iOS/macOS/Windows/Android), it seems to be working really well.

And the lead developer seems quite sincerely committed/principled to the software's principles, which is nice.

edit: I haven't tried out Joplin/Obsidian, which people seem to like here. Oh gosh I think I'm ok for now - my current solution solves my problem.

Re: Standard Notes is a safe place for your notes, thoughts, and life's work

#47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A piece of paper doesn't have the same level of privacy as something like Standard Notes. Anyone who finds your written paper notes can read them. Standard Notes is encrypted, and password protected. It can't ever be read by the provider or the host (which is the major problem with the majority of syncing notes apps), and it can't be read by a nosy friend or family member, unless you leave your computer unlocked and…

I am 100% sure there is no root kit installed on my piece of paper transmitting every pen stroke to the internet. I am 100% sure there is no defect in the design of the piece of paper that could make it instantly readable to the entire world once discovered. You can't say that about any software or hardware.

I agree, the tech stack under pen and paper is very light compared to computers. But it's only as secure as your physical security.

With an encrypted hard drive and a strong key, the files remain private even when the physical security is breached.

Re: Standard Notes is a safe place for your notes, thoughts, and life's work

#48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am 100% sure there is no root kit installed on my piece of paper transmitting every pen stroke to the internet. I am 100% sure there is no defect in the design of the piece of paper that could make it instantly readable to the entire world once discovered. You can't say that about any software or hardware.

Private journaling is likely to end up encrypted forever and not accessible to the families of deceased persons. Sure, it could be argued that it was encrypted on purpose but one never knows. Someone may suddenly pass and their loved ones would never get access to this piece of their work even if the author intended to share it and never got to leave the encryption key (they never expected their sudden departure) Sur…

Well, unless there are technological improvements in processing speed that allow for future decryption, right?

Food for thought though, for sure.

Re: Standard Notes is a safe place for your notes, thoughts, and life's work

#49

tried it left because of price, lack of options, lack of reliable sync https://joplinapp.org/ is far better and cheaper option

As a second data point, I've been using Standard for a little over a year now, and haven't had any syncing issues. Maybe I've been lucky, or maybe it's gotten better than it used to be.

I sometimes (once every few months?) get a duplicated/conflicting file-pair appear. It's a bit annoying, but not very annoying. Can't remember it happening recently.

Re: Standard Notes is a safe place for your notes, thoughts, and life's work

#50

what's the point of "end-to-end encrypted" if the keys are still on the server?

Where does it say that?

I see here - https://standardnotes.org/knowledge/2/what-is-end-to-end-enc... the claim is: "Whenever we move your encrypted data over a network, in order to deliver services to you, it is sent over a strictly secure connection to only our private servers. Because this data is encrypted, we can't read it, and we can’t sell it."

(I use Standard Notes, and if there's some element of the security model that I'm misunderstanding, I'd like to know :) )

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