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New Japanese Pop Idol Shocks Fans With News - She’s Not Real

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Re: New Japanese Pop Idol Shocks Fans With News - She’s Not Real

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This is only a little bit weirder on the continuum of what we already do for pop starlets, both in Japan and the United States. Japan has been manufacturing them -- that is totally the right word, too -- for about 30 years. Disney cottoned onto it a bit later. These days producers already have the key personality traits, demographic fit, sound, and marketing campaign for the new brand already planned out prior to lau…

I've pondered the possibility that when CG eventually solves the uncanny valley effect[1], if ever, that some actors/actresses could sell their persona to be recreated (with royalties of course) and used for future purposes (ie, sequels, remakes, etc.).

Seeing this, I think that could be closer to reality.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley

Re: New Japanese Pop Idol Shocks Fans With News - She’s Not Real

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Now automate the entire thing. 20 years from now. You are befriended on Facebook++ by a person who looks somewhat like all the previous girlfriends you have had. Initiating a 3-D video chat, she seems very friendly and has a lot of the same interests as you do. Every now and then -- so infrequently that you do not notice -- she mentions a particular brand or commercial product, always providing a link. Other than tha…

It's already happening to some extent with real people. There was an article that passed through here a while back that had interviews with ex-419 scammers. One of them was making a living by pretending to be the online girlfriend of some guy. He talked about it in much the same way. He would give him advive, cheer him up, etc. He was essentially 'farming' the guy for money. But this means that he had to deliver real…

This business model has been popular in Japan since cellphones got email:

http://www.cnngo.com/tokyo/play/deaikei-duties-posing-online...

Re: New Japanese Pop Idol Shocks Fans With News - She’s Not Real

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That manufacturing also appears to carry a considerable investment (or possible payoff). One initially wonders why, when manufactured pop stars spectacularly flame out, that they are simply told to go low profile for a while then come back and act like nothing happened...until you think of them as a multi-million dollar entertainment machine their managers no doubt poured tons of money into in the form of singing les…

Is there in Korea (Asia) a counter culture to pop? The western youth is regularly driven like a pendulum to alternative and uncommercialised styles like Hippies, punk, grunge, electro. The stereotypical hipster who only likes obscure music and independent art by starving but true artists.

There is a very active youth crew hardcore scene in Korea. Nicest group of people in world because they are actually a minority and are always hungry for like-minded people.

Re: New Japanese Pop Idol Shocks Fans With News - She’s Not Real

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post #34

Now automate the entire thing. 20 years from now. You are befriended on Facebook++ by a person who looks somewhat like all the previous girlfriends you have had. Initiating a 3-D video chat, she seems very friendly and has a lot of the same interests as you do. Every now and then -- so infrequently that you do not notice -- she mentions a particular brand or commercial product, always providing a link. Other than tha…

It's already happening to some extent with real people. There was an article that passed through here a while back that had interviews with ex-419 scammers. One of them was making a living by pretending to be the online girlfriend of some guy. He talked about it in much the same way. He would give him advive, cheer him up, etc. He was essentially 'farming' the guy for money. But this means that he had to deliver real…

The kind of cool thing about that example is, provided the guy wasn't being told he'd get to meet the girl, it's just a simple value exchange, beneficial for both parties.

(So long as the advice the scammer gives is good!)

Re: New Japanese Pop Idol Shocks Fans With News - She’s Not Real

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post #6

This is only a little bit weirder on the continuum of what we already do for pop starlets, both in Japan and the United States. Japan has been manufacturing them -- that is totally the right word, too -- for about 30 years. Disney cottoned onto it a bit later. These days producers already have the key personality traits, demographic fit, sound, and marketing campaign for the new brand already planned out prior to lau…

>If Disney could produce popstars in a laboratory they would. They basically did. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mickey_Mouse_Club

Yes, they've been doing this closer to sixty years.

Re: New Japanese Pop Idol Shocks Fans With News - She’s Not Real

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It's amazing how Gibson predicted this sort of thing almost 20 years ago: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Idoru

Before that ('94) there was Sharon Apple in Macross Plus: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Macross_plus

The Japanese culture at large is quite in phase with virtual stuff and robots.

Re: New Japanese Pop Idol Shocks Fans With News - She’s Not Real

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Now automate the entire thing. 20 years from now. You are befriended on Facebook++ by a person who looks somewhat like all the previous girlfriends you have had. Initiating a 3-D video chat, she seems very friendly and has a lot of the same interests as you do. Every now and then -- so infrequently that you do not notice -- she mentions a particular brand or commercial product, always providing a link. Other than tha…

Which raises the question - is this a bad thing?

http://xkcd.com/810/

Re: New Japanese Pop Idol Shocks Fans With News - She’s Not Real

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But then you'd be violating copyright. Also it'd be stupid; It's not like people won't realize that the pop-stars aren't real.

The pop-stars aren't real now, they just happen to be played by flesh and blood actors.

Yes but those flesh and blood actors have some very peculiar failure modes once the weight of fame rests on them. This makes for great gossip news.
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