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Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

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Post by colechristensen »

pdkl95 wrote: post #34

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Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

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Post by christophilus »

drevil-v2 wrote: post #33

How is this any different to clocking in manually at your workplace? A lot of companies ask their employees to clock in and out at a terminal when they enter the office. For roster adherence and for payroll. The article clearly states it only starts tracking when the employee enters a specific geo-fence. In a Covid world with remote collaboration between teams something like this sounds perfectly reasonable. How else…

Manually clocking in at your workplace has no way of accidentally leaking your contacts list or tracking where you were last night or just taking up space on your phone that you own. You want me to install crap ware on my personal property? Not a chance. You give me a phone, and I’m marginally more fine with it.

Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

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Post by simlan »

drevil-v2 wrote: post #33

How is this any different to clocking in manually at your workplace? A lot of companies ask their employees to clock in and out at a terminal when they enter the office. For roster adherence and for payroll. The article clearly states it only starts tracking when the employee enters a specific geo-fence. In a Covid world with remote collaboration between teams something like this sounds perfectly reasonable. How else…

Do you take the GPS enabled terminal from work home ? Do you have the terminal with you at night and on the weekends?

Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

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Post by alexf95 »

drevil-v2 wrote: post #33

How is this any different to clocking in manually at your workplace? A lot of companies ask their employees to clock in and out at a terminal when they enter the office. For roster adherence and for payroll. The article clearly states it only starts tracking when the employee enters a specific geo-fence. In a Covid world with remote collaboration between teams something like this sounds perfectly reasonable. How else…

> How else would a company know for certain that the employee who was supposed to clean a client premise actually went there?

Well this is the whole point. You have to trust your employees to some degree with this. Also you would totally notice someone not doing what they are supposed to do at some point, simply because their work would pile up otherwise. You can also have daily/weekly meetings to check on their progress to make sure they are doing their work.

Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

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Post by HenryBemis »

Pasting my comment from the same piece of news discussed in HN yesterday:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26791402

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As Meja sang some years back: it's all about the money (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcXMhwF4EtQ)(cute song)

Logbooks: someone needs to distribute them, collect them, read them, transfer the (many many many) written lines to a computer, validate the signature samples/writing style, etc. etc. An app that automates that in 2 mins is so much better.

A solution could be: 1) give each employee a (corporate) cheap $100 android phone, 2) configure these to allow only 1-2 apps to 'escape' to the internet so the bandwidth is not wasted on updates or browsing, 3) provide a 1GB per year data plan, 4) ask them to switch on right before entering the 'site' and switch off right when they leave the 'site' 5) give them a monthly $5 subsidy to keep it charged.

Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

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Post by leethargo »

martin_a wrote: post #35
dvdkhlng wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can get this sort of satisfaction for much less money. Try a Volla phone [1] or a KaiOS based phone [2]. That's always funny when some services assume that just having an iOS or Android App (and no equivalent web-page) is enough to cater to everyone. Especially in the corona-virus crisis it will prove interesting whether some mandated "contact tracing" or "vaccination pass" style Apps are going to effectively tur…

Is the DHL app really necessary or can you fallback to SMS? Got an Android, so no problem for me, but I'm wondering...

It wasn't necessary as of some months ago. I don't have a smart phone and at first they would send a SMS with TAN, but now they switched to sending an email with the TAN.

Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

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Post by yladiz »

varispeed wrote: post #30
karlkloss wrote: post #29

That would be totally illegal in Germany, and most of the EU. Not only the employee tracking and forcing them to install anything on their private devices, but also the data collection and not disclosing what is collected, where, and how long, and not implementing an automatic deletion.

Here in the UK government introduced zero rights employment just few days ago and that would be totally legal here.

As someone not from the UK: What is zero rights employment, and how is it different than before?

Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

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Post by ArkanExplorer »

Is there any scientific evidence that this kind of excessive cleaning had any impact on COVID? What was the cost-benefit-analysis, how many years of life were saved per $, and how does that compare to other health interventions? If we just banned junk food at these schools, but let COVID run rampant (the number of children and teenagers dead from COVID is essentially statistical noise), would we have improved health in the long-run?

My impression is that many of these cleaners realised they had a 'bullshit job' and were slacking off or not actually at the premises, particularly if the work was done after-hours.

I think the bigger issue here is that we need to unwind all of these COVID distortions and get back to normal.

Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

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Post by s_dev »

varispeed wrote: post #30
karlkloss wrote: post #29

That would be totally illegal in Germany, and most of the EU. Not only the employee tracking and forcing them to install anything on their private devices, but also the data collection and not disclosing what is collected, where, and how long, and not implementing an automatic deletion.

Here in the UK government introduced zero rights employment just few days ago and that would be totally legal here.

The UK Gov just got slapped by Apple and Google for trying to exploit the Corona Virus notifcation exposure system by trying to precisely locate people with the Covid contact tracing tracker App.

Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

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Post by yoz-y »

ArkanExplorer wrote: post #48

Is there any scientific evidence that this kind of excessive cleaning had any impact on COVID? What was the cost-benefit-analysis, how many years of life were saved per $, and how does that compare to other health interventions? If we just banned junk food at these schools, but let COVID run rampant (the number of children and teenagers dead from COVID is essentially statistical noise), would we have improved health…

> I think the bigger issue here is that we need to unwind all of these COVID distortions and get back to normal.

At >110% ICU occupancy (and >150% in my city), let's not yet.

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