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Huawei deactivates AI and cloud business group in restructuring

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Post by shillforhumanty »

castroliu wrote: post #35
cyrksoft wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, in your view, every government in the world is totalitarian and genocidal? How can you compare the Chinese government, a dictatorship, with most democratic governments from western countries? Of course some governments do bad things, but tell me something genocidal the US government or Canadian government or any EU country is currently doing. There is no logical way to compare the Chinese government with any othe…

` People in China aren’t free and can’t do anything unless the CCP dictators let them.` I'm Chinese, I feel assaulted when westerners say anything closer to it, how brainwashed they are and how corrupted your media is. The truth is, human are the same, China is huge, nothing is perfect, but of course people are free living in China, if the government corrupted, there are various way to report, and the local leaders g…

I appreciate you taking the moment to reply. Once the western media decides on repeating their propaganda long enough, sadly people end up buying it and selling it themselves. I wish that western interests/values can turn back to family and society(if that was ever the case). It's disgusting watching those you love turn into xenophobic hypocrits (and how many times in the past two decades Ive lost count) because the man on the telly said so.(soc. media for the modern folk) It will get only worse with these constant screen times.

I've been encountering too many armchair strategic commanders lately. I hope it's just an artifact from the post elections unification. Must be easy planning doom and gloom when it's not gonna be on your doorstep I suppose..

Re: Huawei deactivates AI and cloud business group in restructuring

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Post by sudosysgen »

megous wrote: post #20
Ceezy wrote: post #16

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Slavery /native american genocide, Philippine colonisation, no reason whatsoever to attack Iraq...

Obviously only now matters now. Not 150 or 15 years ago. Don't ask me why.

The systems that committed those injustices and crimes against humanity are alive and kicking. The processes and motivations that led to those matters are still present. The only thing that changed is that there is no more motivation to commit such atrocities again, surely those will come back.

Beyond that, I don't see why we should excuse past crimes. All that motivates is for future crimes to be done faster so that the moral high ground can be restored then.

Re: Huawei deactivates AI and cloud business group in restructuring

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Post by cyrksoft »

castroliu wrote: post #35
cyrksoft wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, in your view, every government in the world is totalitarian and genocidal? How can you compare the Chinese government, a dictatorship, with most democratic governments from western countries? Of course some governments do bad things, but tell me something genocidal the US government or Canadian government or any EU country is currently doing. There is no logical way to compare the Chinese government with any othe…

` People in China aren’t free and can’t do anything unless the CCP dictators let them.` I'm Chinese, I feel assaulted when westerners say anything closer to it, how brainwashed they are and how corrupted your media is. The truth is, human are the same, China is huge, nothing is perfect, but of course people are free living in China, if the government corrupted, there are various way to report, and the local leaders g…

I am not sure why you assume that I am American or consume media from those particular countries. I am from Latin America, and I know from first hand the power and the influence of the CCP.

It's funny you mention how free you are while having to use a VPN for most internet applications (I collaborate with people in China and it's very hard to communicate sometimes, the only way to use Whatsapp is through a VPN and they don't have on 100% of the time). Can you use Google, for example? Are you free to choose which app you use? Apple censors apps because the CCP ask them to. Can you criticize your own government (not really "own" government given that you can't even choose it!) without retaliation from the government?

Funny how you think you are free when you are only allowed to do what an authoritarian and dictatorial government allows you to do. Even Winnie the Pooh is banned in China...

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Post by cyrksoft »

0xFFC wrote: post #37
castroliu wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

` People in China aren’t free and can’t do anything unless the CCP dictators let them.` I'm Chinese, I feel assaulted when westerners say anything closer to it, how brainwashed they are and how corrupted your media is. The truth is, human are the same, China is huge, nothing is perfect, but of course people are free living in China, if the government corrupted, there are various way to report, and the local leaders g…

As Iranian I cannot agree with you more. Same goes with Iran. Western mainstream media has become as corrupt as it gets!

Iran a free country? What about women rights? Something very basic you are still missing...

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Post by yhoneycomb »

Ceezy wrote: post #15
zeb88 wrote: post #3

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The issue is that it's a government owned entity, one that's totalitarian, genocidal and their technologies are largely stolen.

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You're 100% right, but people on hacker news are so Murica-centric that they'll downvote the truth to oblivion.

I would guess that at least 70% of people on here voted for Trump. Say anything negative about China and you get instantly upvoted. Anything positive about China or even slightly negative about the US and you get downvoted.

Re: Huawei deactivates AI and cloud business group in restructuring

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Post by selfhoster11 »

llampx wrote: post #2

I feel sad somehow. Huawei was the only company which was going toe-to-toe against Google and Apple in the AI space. I saw it in their phones, which were better than many others, and had even better computational photography than Pixels of the same generation, in my opinion. Combined with their chip design expertise - they were making chips that were as good or better than the Snapdragons, its clear why the US needed…

Huawei's offerings aren't competition, they are Advanced Persistent Threats from a Western-centric infosec perspective. Nothing of value was lost, once security is priced into the solution.

Re: Huawei deactivates AI and cloud business group in restructuring

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Post by 0xFFC »

cyrksoft wrote: post #44
0xFFC wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As Iranian I cannot agree with you more. Same goes with Iran. Western mainstream media has become as corrupt as it gets!

Iran a free country? What about women rights? Something very basic you are still missing...

Keep drinking the Kool-Aid!

Re: Huawei deactivates AI and cloud business group in restructuring

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Post by FooBarWidget »

cyrksoft wrote: post #43
castroliu wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

` People in China aren’t free and can’t do anything unless the CCP dictators let them.` I'm Chinese, I feel assaulted when westerners say anything closer to it, how brainwashed they are and how corrupted your media is. The truth is, human are the same, China is huge, nothing is perfect, but of course people are free living in China, if the government corrupted, there are various way to report, and the local leaders g…

I am not sure why you assume that I am American or consume media from those particular countries. I am from Latin America, and I know from first hand the power and the influence of the CCP. It's funny you mention how free you are while having to use a VPN for most internet applications (I collaborate with people in China and it's very hard to communicate sometimes, the only way to use Whatsapp is through a VPN and th…

I am also Chinese though I live in Europe now. There are different forms of freedom. One is not necessarily better than the other. You are focusing on one kind of freedom only, to the exclusion of other kinds. You are also not comparing the Chinese's freedom of today, with their freedom of the past.

In China, people have freedom from being infected by COVID. They have freedom from assault; streets are very safe even at night, even for women. They have freedom to consume alcohol publicly. They have freedom from being shot. They have freedom from homelessness. They have freedom from being attacked by the police; contrary to what many people expect, Chinese police is very nice and don't carry guns, and people don't fear them. Not all western countries have these kinds of freedoms, or have them to the same level as China.

China today is freer than it has ever been in the past 3000 years. In the past, everything was at the whim of the emperor. 100 years ago, everything was at the whims of foreign imperialists, who drugged people, looted treasures and stole land as they pleased. 40 years ago, Chinese people could not choose what to wear, where to work, what to study, where to travel.

40 years ago, everybody was poor. With the massive, industrial-scale poverty alleviation efforts that western media somehow doesn't like reporting on, Chinese now have freedom from poverty, which very few countries have. When you are poor, you are not free, no matter how much you can criticize the president.

All of this has changed. The past 30 years are literally the best in the past 3000 years. Chinese are freer than they have ever been.

Furthermore, China isn't even a dictatorship or totalitarian. China is a political meritocracy. See this interview with professor Daniel A Bell: https://youtu.be/D_ZzlPoapB4

Particularly at 13:30 he explains why it makes no sense to lump China together with the likes of Saudi Arabia or North Korea.

Usually, when people criticize China for being 'a totalitarian dictatorship', it is because they want to confirm their preconceived notions about China as a bad place, rather than because their statements are 100% based on facts.

Since you're Latin American, maybe you should listen to what this fellow Latin American has to say about freedom in China. He lives in China. https://youtu.be/RFRIRaj1QvE

Re: Huawei deactivates AI and cloud business group in restructuring

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Post by [deleted] »

cyrksoft wrote: post #43
castroliu wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

` People in China aren’t free and can’t do anything unless the CCP dictators let them.` I'm Chinese, I feel assaulted when westerners say anything closer to it, how brainwashed they are and how corrupted your media is. The truth is, human are the same, China is huge, nothing is perfect, but of course people are free living in China, if the government corrupted, there are various way to report, and the local leaders g…

I am not sure why you assume that I am American or consume media from those particular countries. I am from Latin America, and I know from first hand the power and the influence of the CCP. It's funny you mention how free you are while having to use a VPN for most internet applications (I collaborate with people in China and it's very hard to communicate sometimes, the only way to use Whatsapp is through a VPN and th…

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Re: Huawei deactivates AI and cloud business group in restructuring

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Post by deepnotderp »

KoftaBob wrote: post #32
dragonelite wrote: post #31

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Just because a company is located in Europe, south Korea, japan etc doesn't mean its a European, south Korean, Japanese etc company. Look into their supply lines you will find that the core components are most likely US made so they have those companies by their balls. Or look into ownership breakdown might be that big US finance pretty much owns the companies voting wise. Took ASML the core component the light sourc…

Interesting, where can I read about this light source that’s a US-made product?

Cymer in San Diego, acquired by ASML but still based in the states
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