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Docker as an Integrated Development Environment (2019)

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Re: Docker as an Integrated Development Environment (2019)

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Post by darkwater »

amarant wrote: post #32

Personally I'd prefer going with NixOS to achieve the same result. that way you don't even need a docker installation. As a bonus you can actually install the Nix package manager on osx if you're not into Linux (and this way there is no need for virtualization if you're on a Mac) More info: https://nixos.org/

So you just shifted your dependency from Docker to Nix. It might be more fun and an intetesting learning experience but also it's more complicated (or at least it's not that widely used like Docker is)

Re: Docker as an Integrated Development Environment (2019)

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Post by codethief »

tyingq wrote: post #2

"Choosing a base image can be quite daunting. I’m always a fan of Alpine Linux for my application containers, so that’s what I chose." Just be aware that means the musl libc, which is often fine, but not always. Software that expects glibc can crash or have unpredictable behavior. The JVM is a good example, unless you get a JVM that was originally built against musl. And sometimes also issues with busybox, where it d…

Case in point: "Using Alpine can make Python Docker builds 50× slower", https://pythonspeed.com/articles/alpine-docker-python/

Re: Docker as an Integrated Development Environment (2019)

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Post by sdfhbdf »

Hmm i don’t think you can compare IntelliJ which is a fully featured IDE with refractor functionalities, full text search, debugger and so on to a vim setup with plugins in docker container, just because they both edit text. This what the author did at the end of the write up. It’s like comparing jQuery to NodeJS, yeah they both generally are for JavaScript but serve a different purpose.

Re: Docker as an Integrated Development Environment (2019)

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Post by codethief »

darkwater wrote: post #41
amarant wrote: post #32

Personally I'd prefer going with NixOS to achieve the same result. that way you don't even need a docker installation. As a bonus you can actually install the Nix package manager on osx if you're not into Linux (and this way there is no need for virtualization if you're on a Mac) More info: https://nixos.org/

So you just shifted your dependency from Docker to Nix. It might be more fun and an intetesting learning experience but also it's more complicated (or at least it's not that widely used like Docker is)

> So you just shifted your dependency from Docker to Nix

OTOH you don't have to write all this boilerplate code that's suggested in the article and your Nix environment is truly reproducible, whereas rebuilding a Docker image might not reproduce it faithfully. (Try running `apt-get install` in a Ubuntu container without running `apt-get update` first.) On top of that, if you've ever had to use more than two languages (+ toolchains) inside a single project, maybe even on multiple architectures[0], you'll appreciate Nix taking care of the entire bootstrap procedure.

[0]: Lots of dependencies that are easy to install on x86 need to be installed/compiled by hand on arm64.

Re: Docker as an Integrated Development Environment (2019)

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Post by amarant »

darkwater wrote: post #41
amarant wrote: post #32

Personally I'd prefer going with NixOS to achieve the same result. that way you don't even need a docker installation. As a bonus you can actually install the Nix package manager on osx if you're not into Linux (and this way there is no need for virtualization if you're on a Mac) More info: https://nixos.org/

So you just shifted your dependency from Docker to Nix. It might be more fun and an intetesting learning experience but also it's more complicated (or at least it's not that widely used like Docker is)

Yes, learning nix is definitely an investment, but it's more powerful than docker, allowing you to create your entire setup, including drivers, desktop environment, and any userspace apps you might need, all declarative, and contained in a config file (or several if you prefer)

Re: Docker as an Integrated Development Environment (2019)

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Post by mintyc »

amarant wrote: post #32

Personally I'd prefer going with NixOS to achieve the same result. that way you don't even need a docker installation. As a bonus you can actually install the Nix package manager on osx if you're not into Linux (and this way there is no need for virtualization if you're on a Mac) More info: https://nixos.org/

It looks impressive but it isn't clear how much you have to pay for services from them. It isn't free and you aren't in control. Your snapshots and abilities to rollback etc are likely to be dependent on their storage servers.

They certainly should monetise, but not making it clear is what I object to. I've raised as an issue for clarification in their community wiki.

https://github.com/nix-community/wiki/issues/34

Re: Docker as an Integrated Development Environment (2019)

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Post by capableweb »

mintyc wrote: post #48
amarant wrote: post #32

Personally I'd prefer going with NixOS to achieve the same result. that way you don't even need a docker installation. As a bonus you can actually install the Nix package manager on osx if you're not into Linux (and this way there is no need for virtualization if you're on a Mac) More info: https://nixos.org/

It looks impressive but it isn't clear how much you have to pay for services from them. It isn't free and you aren't in control. Your snapshots and abilities to rollback etc are likely to be dependent on their storage servers. They certainly should monetise, but not making it clear is what I object to. I've raised as an issue for clarification in their community wiki. https://github.com/nix-community/wiki/issues/34

Mmmm, no. Nix is not a SaaS that builds your snapshots that you have to pay for (or that "they need to monotize", what's wrong with people?), it's a whole ecosystem ranging from a full OS (NixOS) down to a package manager (Nix Package Manager) and programming language (just "Nix).

Not sure what needs clarification here, it's pretty up-front about it's mission and features already.

> Your snapshots and abilities to rollback etc are likely to be dependent on their storage servers

Not sure where you get this from. Snapshots are stored locally unless you specify otherwise, and then you'll get to chose whatever storage servers you want to use. Absolutely no "hidden" costs with Nix as it's a MIT licensed project and I don't think they even offer any "value-added" services nor paid customer support.

Edit: reading the issue you just created (https://github.com/nix-community/wiki/issues/34), I'm even more confused. "Given the need to monetise" is coming from where? Nowhere do they say that they have to monotize but don't know how/where, so where do you get this from? Not everything is about money.

Re: Docker as an Integrated Development Environment (2019)

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Post by bachmeier »

darkwater wrote: post #41
amarant wrote: post #32

Personally I'd prefer going with NixOS to achieve the same result. that way you don't even need a docker installation. As a bonus you can actually install the Nix package manager on osx if you're not into Linux (and this way there is no need for virtualization if you're on a Mac) More info: https://nixos.org/

So you just shifted your dependency from Docker to Nix. It might be more fun and an intetesting learning experience but also it's more complicated (or at least it's not that widely used like Docker is)

> It might be more fun and an intetesting learning experience but also it's more complicated

I can't imagine anyone using both and thinking Nix is more complicated that Docker. And it's not close.

> at least it's not that widely used like Docker is

"Which has more users" would not enter the top ten reasons I'd choose between tools like this.

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