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Move Slow and Make Things

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Re: Move Slow and Make Things

#41
On a more serious tone: what would take to the IT industry to switch from "move fast and get shit done" to "move slow and make things'?

Geninuosly asking. If it becomes a thing, it would only be because the developers push it further... and HN is full of devs. I doubt such a perspective would ever come from "lean" managers and the like.

Re: Move Slow and Make Things

#42

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People usually just call it AI then and pretend that it's not a problem. For example, there's been plenty of issues like racial bias with the computer vision algorithms that police uses, which effectively is data science on pictures. But nobody knows why the issue occurs and nobody can specifically fix it without the risk of breaking a thousand unrelated other things.

> But nobody knows why the issue occurs They do know why that occurs. It's because the data set is biased.

Funny, I remember thinking the questions were biased, every time they weren't the ones I studied to answer in my exam preparations.

Too bad I wasn't a data scientist or else I could just get a passing grade by claiming the questions were chosen from a biased data set, or retake the exam until the data set matched the questions I studied for, at which point the data set would no longer be biased, lol.

Funny line of work, this data 'science' where you only use the results that fit the narrative you wanted in the first place.

We're in full doublethink mode, just keep repeating data 'science', 'science', 'science'. :)

Re: Move Slow and Make Things

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post #41

On a more serious tone: what would take to the IT industry to switch from "move fast and get shit done" to "move slow and make things'? Geninuosly asking. If it becomes a thing, it would only be because the developers push it further... and HN is full of devs. I doubt such a perspective would ever come from "lean" managers and the like.

This already comes from regulators, e.g. "right to explanation" laws which require any automated legaly binding decisions to be explained.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_explanation

Re: Move Slow and Make Things

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I think even when moving slow, you can still work with prototypes and get feedback as long as you're open about it and you're not taking people's money. For example, I have https://www.invisible-computers.com up as a website. You can read about the product and you can sign up to be notified. But I won't take a cent until I have a product ready to ship.

I agree, but the general consensus in startup pop-literature (is that a thing? :D) is that you can never be sure unless you ask money and people are willing to pay. Otherwise people can just say they like / want / need it, without risk. I have to say that I agree. Too many times I've experienced that people _say_ they'll pay, but never actually do when push comes to shove. But when someone does agree to pay (meaning…

Agreed

Of course a newsletter signup is not a sale. Not even 1%. But it’s still a signal.

And selling something you don’t have is borderline fraud in my book. Even if you backtrack and refund, it was still a lie and a waste of the customer’s time.

Also if one is selling something one should be aware that now you will have to support it for the next 10 years, even if it turns out to be an unprofitable business.

Re: Move Slow and Make Things

#47

I know this is supposed to be a joke, but I feel like it's too close to reality to be funny. I recently ordered a custom tailored set of shirt, trousers, and belt. Their site was bragging about their great AI technology, but sadly I didn't notice that red flag early enough. The results were nothing short of disastrous. I sent in my measurements and they sent me a trouser with wrong measurements and a postcard that sa…

There are two areas of technology I avoid these days -- blockchain and AI. It may very well be to my own detriment (there is a lot of promise in either) but fortunately there are lots of interesting problems outside these areas and I can just treat the mention of either of those topics as red flags. That said, I want to note that I have had good results with Stitchfix but that was due to entering professionally-taken…

No startup is disruptive enough nowadays without 5G and IoT.

Re: Move Slow and Make Things

#48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People usually just call it AI then and pretend that it's not a problem. For example, there's been plenty of issues like racial bias with the computer vision algorithms that police uses, which effectively is data science on pictures. But nobody knows why the issue occurs and nobody can specifically fix it without the risk of breaking a thousand unrelated other things.

> But nobody knows why the issue occurs They do know why that occurs. It's because the data set is biased.

No, you don't "know" that your dataset is biased until you perform the statistic analysis explicitly. It might be that your neural net has a non-uniform weight distribution in some dimension (e.g. in time, or in the ordering of the training data), so dismissing any unwanted results by claiming "your dataset is biased" is a form of appeal to (artificial) authority.

Re: Move Slow and Make Things

#49

I know this is supposed to be a joke, but I feel like it's too close to reality to be funny. I recently ordered a custom tailored set of shirt, trousers, and belt. Their site was bragging about their great AI technology, but sadly I didn't notice that red flag early enough. The results were nothing short of disastrous. I sent in my measurements and they sent me a trouser with wrong measurements and a postcard that sa…

> they sent me a trouser with wrong measurements and a postcard that said that they adjusted my measurements with AI

This brings a whole new meaning to "over fitting"

Re: Move Slow and Make Things

#50

I know this is supposed to be a joke, but I feel like it's too close to reality to be funny. I recently ordered a custom tailored set of shirt, trousers, and belt. Their site was bragging about their great AI technology, but sadly I didn't notice that red flag early enough. The results were nothing short of disastrous. I sent in my measurements and they sent me a trouser with wrong measurements and a postcard that sa…

> they adjusted my measurements with AI for a better fit

Cool, what they mean is they probably have some (barely) linear fits of people to some dimension, but of course that breaks down quick as the USAF found out in the 40s https://www.thestar.com/news/insight/2016/01/16/when-us-air-...

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