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Re: OBS Studio Now Ready with Wayland Capture Support

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Post by sprash » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 3:02 PM UTC

marcodiego wrote: post #32

This is very good. Not only because it illustrates the maturity of wayland, this is been done using pipewire. The last remaining pieces of the puzzle are finally being placed. A modern linux distro will give you on the desktop a good oomd, good video drivers, pipewire, wayland, GTK 4, GNOME 40, a modern kernel, compiler, dev-tools... and modern cross distro software through flatpak/snap/appimage. There are still thin…

> I've been hearing/saying basically this for decades.

After almost 13 years of development Wayland gains a (de-facto not even standardized) way to something as simple as taking screenshots / streaming. This is not "very good".

Re: OBS Studio Now Ready with Wayland Capture Support

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Post by marcodiego » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 3:03 PM UTC

freeone3000 wrote: post #36

marcodiego wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Installing a bunch a different repositories for every new version of a software you want is a risky recipe to get a system that will break something on upgrade or that you get barred from upgrade because of some packages or can't upgrade some packages... things like these. On the other hand, even with ubuntu 16.04 (supported until recently) you can easily get the latest version through flatpak.

How does flatpack solve these issues in a way a PPA doesn't?

PPA is still distro-specific and distro-version-specific.

Re: OBS Studio Now Ready with Wayland Capture Support

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Post by jancsika » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 3:08 PM UTC

Are there people on here who regularly scrape HN posts for data?

Because I'd love a list of user handles of people who-- before this day-- have written variations of, "Wayland-based systems have been totally ready for use for years now." And maybe a browser extension that greys out comments from those handles.

Re: OBS Studio Now Ready with Wayland Capture Support

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Post by sprash » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 3:09 PM UTC

yobert wrote: post #40

sprash wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Support for Wayland is getting up there. After almost 13 years of development the progress is rather embarrassing.

It's a hard problem to solve. Wouldn't you agree?

Taking screenshots/streaming is not a hard problem. However Wayland artificially turns something as simple as taking a screenshot into a hard problem what was before a simple function call to XGetImage(). As exercise I recommend to implement a native screenshot application in both X11 and Wayland.

Re: OBS Studio Now Ready with Wayland Capture Support

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Post by ubavic » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 3:10 PM UTC

jjice wrote: post #18

When I made the jul over to full time Linux last February,this is something iran into and was confused about. Wayland was the default on Ubuntu, and it worked great! Except for a lot of applications that just wouldn't load... After some reading, I moved to X, but I can't wait for the day Wayland is ready to go. Will there ever be a good way to run things like dmenu on Wayland? I'm still a novice, but will all X progr…

> Will there ever be a good way to run things like dmenu on Wayland?

I use the wofi which is the rofi replacement. Page 'i3 Migration Guide' [1] from the Sway wiki lists some dmenu replacements (bemenu, fuzzel, gmenu, wldash)

[1] https://github.com/swaywm/sway/wiki/i3-Migration-Guide

Re: OBS Studio Now Ready with Wayland Capture Support

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Post by marcodiego » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 3:11 PM UTC

m45t3r wrote: post #39

marcodiego wrote: post #32

This is very good. Not only because it illustrates the maturity of wayland, this is been done using pipewire. The last remaining pieces of the puzzle are finally being placed. A modern linux distro will give you on the desktop a good oomd, good video drivers, pipewire, wayland, GTK 4, GNOME 40, a modern kernel, compiler, dev-tools... and modern cross distro software through flatpak/snap/appimage. There are still thin…

Well, there is another reason for optimism: Wayland is supported in ChromeOS and WSL2, and it seems to be the base for any modern integration with other operational systems (macOS ARM maybe?). > The sad thing: I've been hearing/saying basically this for decades. I don't think Linux distros will ever be popular compared to the commercial OSes, since for one thing to be popular nowadays you need to invest money in many…

Actually I deeply envy windows users. They can enter a computer store and basically choose any hardware with the certainty that it will very likely work on their computer; then can sign any on-line service with the same certainty, they can use almost any recently released professional software with the same certainty...

Linux on the desktop is MUCH better now, it is improving but still no there yet. And I've been saying this very same phrase for decades now.

I don't care about a significant fraction of the desktop, but I'd love to enter a computer store and choose a hardware without severely limiting my choices.

Re: OBS Studio Now Ready with Wayland Capture Support

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Post by vetinari » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 3:12 PM UTC

jhoechtl wrote: post #10

Totally unrelated but: The day I can wireless screencast my Linux Laptop to my home television I will lite a candle.

If your home television supports Miracast, you can do it today: https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.gnome.NetworkDisplays

Re: OBS Studio Now Ready with Wayland Capture Support

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Post by marcodiego » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 3:19 PM UTC

sprash wrote: post #41

marcodiego wrote: post #32

This is very good. Not only because it illustrates the maturity of wayland, this is been done using pipewire. The last remaining pieces of the puzzle are finally being placed. A modern linux distro will give you on the desktop a good oomd, good video drivers, pipewire, wayland, GTK 4, GNOME 40, a modern kernel, compiler, dev-tools... and modern cross distro software through flatpak/snap/appimage. There are still thin…

> I've been hearing/saying basically this for decades. After almost 13 years of development Wayland gains a (de-facto not even standardized) way to something as simple as taking screenshots / streaming. This is not "very good".

Considering the alternative is not having the feature... I'd say this is very good.

Of course, we have to consider that wayland is basically a re-thought for a substitute of a system that exists and evolves since early 80's... It is acceptable that it takes long. If such wait is needed to get something better than what we had and fix antique design limitations, I have no problem waiting for it.

Re: OBS Studio Now Ready with Wayland Capture Support

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Post by marcodiego » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 3:45 PM UTC

sprash wrote: post #44

yobert wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a hard problem to solve. Wouldn't you agree?

Taking screenshots/streaming is not a hard problem. However Wayland artificially turns something as simple as taking a screenshot into a hard problem what was before a simple function call to XGetImage(). As exercise I recommend to implement a native screenshot application in both X11 and Wayland.

I think you're completely ignoring the security implications of "a simple function call to XGetImage()".

Re: OBS Studio Now Ready with Wayland Capture Support

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Post by passerby1 » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 3:50 PM UTC

jancsika wrote: post #43

Are there people on here who regularly scrape HN posts for data? Because I'd love a list of user handles of people who-- before this day-- have written variations of, "Wayland-based systems have been totally ready for use for years now." And maybe a browser extension that greys out comments from those handles.

Nice idea, gonna use it too