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Re: Boston Dynamics Unveils New Robot for Warehouse Automation

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Post by Pokepokalypse »

lumost wrote: post #23
anyonecancode wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Unless we get something like UBI we'll always need shitty job to keep people busy I find myself often making this assumption too, but I wonder if it's warranted? A "shit" job is often shorthand for a job you can grab someone off the street and more or less have them start working, an "unskilled" job. But the fact that pretty much anyone can do a job isn't the same as saying that someone doing a "shit" job is only c…

I think the question is what need does further economic development satisfy for the totality of the population. UBI can ensure no one has an unmet need for basics, but many people with nothing to do would likely lead to unmet fulfillment and security needs. UBI is unlikely to fund digital nomads in the short term, and unbounded travel isn't for everyone. The classic work for independence mindset that drove early sett…

>what will people who are satisfied with the basics do?

The devil makes work for idle hands.

Re: Boston Dynamics Unveils New Robot for Warehouse Automation

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Post by Chris2048 »

anyonecancode wrote: post #18
lm28469 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Harder to imagine a society in which we have no need for jobs though Unless we get something like UBI we'll always need shitty job to keep people busy. Automation for the sake of automation doesn't bring much if 70% of the population is still working 8 hours a day 5 days a week on more and more useless tasks. This isn't even talking about the fact that we're increasing productivity per unit of time but never reducing…

> Unless we get something like UBI we'll always need shitty job to keep people busy I find myself often making this assumption too, but I wonder if it's warranted? A "shit" job is often shorthand for a job you can grab someone off the street and more or less have them start working, an "unskilled" job. But the fact that pretty much anyone can do a job isn't the same as saying that someone doing a "shit" job is only c…

> I'm quite skeptical of the idea that there's whole classes of people actually _unable_ to learn skills needed for better work

According to Jordan Peterson, around 10% of the population has an IQ below 83, (at which point the army will no longer take you).

> but as a replacement for having any job at all

I find it unlikely UBI can properly account for the market if it's just a flat rate. Instead a more complex version of "food-stamps" might be better i.e. discount items of food, clothing, accommodation etc with category specific UBI. If people can live on basics without working, so be it - just as long as there is no competition with taxpayers.

That said, there are some things that are still difficult: insurances, medical and crime for example.

Re: Boston Dynamics Unveils New Robot for Warehouse Automation

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Post by unix_fan »

lumost wrote: post #23
anyonecancode wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Unless we get something like UBI we'll always need shitty job to keep people busy I find myself often making this assumption too, but I wonder if it's warranted? A "shit" job is often shorthand for a job you can grab someone off the street and more or less have them start working, an "unskilled" job. But the fact that pretty much anyone can do a job isn't the same as saying that someone doing a "shit" job is only c…

I think the question is what need does further economic development satisfy for the totality of the population. UBI can ensure no one has an unmet need for basics, but many people with nothing to do would likely lead to unmet fulfillment and security needs. UBI is unlikely to fund digital nomads in the short term, and unbounded travel isn't for everyone. The classic work for independence mindset that drove early sett…

Why bother with the higher level jobs, when my basic needs are already met? I think the assumption relies too much on trusting human nature. from personal experience, I’ve known people Who have become complacent after receiving state aid for a while.. obviously, the level of education and culture are strong factors here.

Re: Boston Dynamics Unveils New Robot for Warehouse Automation

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Post by crazygringo »

lm28469 wrote: post #31
crazygringo wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> we'll always need shitty job to keep people busy People have been worried we'll run out of jobs ever since farming started to decline from being 90% of jobs. People will always want better things, whether cell phones or TV shows. There are ALWAYS jobs to produce those better things. There's no need to "keep people busy". People just always want better things and will work for them.

Is this the end game of humanity though ? Let's create more bs jobs so that people can continue to afford new shiny gadgets ? > ALWAYS Earth is a finite environment, with finite resources, at some point it won't scale anymore, especially with today's ecological concerns. The world isn't going to run on cells phones and TV shows indefinitely, and even if, I think we should strive for more than that > People just alway…

Nobody said better things require more resources. If anything, modern manufacturing uses far less than it did decades ago, with less pollution, people renting things more than wasteful owning, etc. E.g. when driverless taxis come along, expect to see car manufacturing plummet.

> there is more to life than working 50%+ of our awake time to watch netflix and buy iphones

Life is what you make of it. If you want to write poetry or symphonies in your free time, or watch Netflix and play Candy Crush, I'm not going to judge you either way. You have the choice to make your life what you want. You can focus on yourself and you don't need to judge others.

Re: Boston Dynamics Unveils New Robot for Warehouse Automation

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Post by lm28469 »

lumost wrote: post #23
anyonecancode wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Unless we get something like UBI we'll always need shitty job to keep people busy I find myself often making this assumption too, but I wonder if it's warranted? A "shit" job is often shorthand for a job you can grab someone off the street and more or less have them start working, an "unskilled" job. But the fact that pretty much anyone can do a job isn't the same as saying that someone doing a "shit" job is only c…

I think the question is what need does further economic development satisfy for the totality of the population. UBI can ensure no one has an unmet need for basics, but many people with nothing to do would likely lead to unmet fulfillment and security needs. UBI is unlikely to fund digital nomads in the short term, and unbounded travel isn't for everyone. The classic work for independence mindset that drove early sett…

> what will people who are satisfied with the basics do?

Whatever they want, why would we care ?

What would you do if work stopped everyday at 1 PM ? Go to the park, chill with friends, read a book, learn music, go for a walk in the woods, play with your kids, take a nap, go fishing, ... live life ? Are we really so alienated that we can't imagine what we'd do outside of work ?

Re: Boston Dynamics Unveils New Robot for Warehouse Automation

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Post by j-pb »

amelius wrote: post #36
anonu wrote: post #20

The Boston Dynamics PR machine is in full swing. A recent acquisition, the 60 minutes interview last weekend, this recent press release... Seems like they need to figure out how to make some revenues.

The problem is they based all their tech on old-fashioned control theory, which will have its ass kicked by deep-learning-based tech when the first serious competitor comes along.

Doubtful. You need provable security and systems characteristics if you wanted to get approval for a household robot in for example the E.U. Higher cognition and task solving? Sure, we can do that with blackbox methods, but everything where skulls could get crushed, you want, and by law need, the boring stuff.

Re: Boston Dynamics Unveils New Robot for Warehouse Automation

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Post by virmundi »

cs702 wrote: post #6

It's not difficult to imagine ultra-efficient warehouses that have no need for physical human labor, within our lifetime. Exciting stuff. But I have to ask: Can this thing fight queen xenomorphs? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWJDtVmGenc

Don’t worry. There won’t be a lot of people soon. Those who survive are wealthy enough to have their children artificially.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/male-infertility...

Re: Boston Dynamics Unveils New Robot for Warehouse Automation

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Post by amelius »

j-pb wrote: post #46
amelius wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is they based all their tech on old-fashioned control theory, which will have its ass kicked by deep-learning-based tech when the first serious competitor comes along.

Doubtful. You need provable security and systems characteristics if you wanted to get approval for a household robot in for example the E.U. Higher cognition and task solving? Sure, we can do that with blackbox methods, but everything where skulls could get crushed, you want, and by law need, the boring stuff.

Meanwhile, Tesla's Autopilot is using deep learning to detect roads, cars, objects and people.

Re: Boston Dynamics Unveils New Robot for Warehouse Automation

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Post by lm28469 »

crazygringo wrote: post #44
lm28469 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this the end game of humanity though ? Let's create more bs jobs so that people can continue to afford new shiny gadgets ? > ALWAYS Earth is a finite environment, with finite resources, at some point it won't scale anymore, especially with today's ecological concerns. The world isn't going to run on cells phones and TV shows indefinitely, and even if, I think we should strive for more than that > People just alway…

Nobody said better things require more resources. If anything, modern manufacturing uses far less than it did decades ago, with less pollution, people renting things more than wasteful owning, etc. E.g. when driverless taxis come along, expect to see car manufacturing plummet. > there is more to life than working 50%+ of our awake time to watch netflix and buy iphones Life is what you make of it. If you want to write…

> If anything, modern manufacturing uses far less than it did decades ago, with less pollution, people renting things more than wasteful owning,

I don't think we live in the same world then, we've never imported/exported so much shit, third world countries are catching up with the west in term of how they want to live (personal cars, bigger houses, more electronics), we're polluting more than ever, &c. all the metrics are going up, not down

> Life is what you make of it.

Well, yeah, exactly, but what can you make of it when you work 8 hours a day 5 days a week for the 40 best years of your life

> You can focus on yourself and you don't need to judge others

Or I can think about myself _and_ others by thinking that the world would be a much better place for everyone including myself if people didn't have to work so much for so little.

Re: Boston Dynamics Unveils New Robot for Warehouse Automation

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Post by sandworm101 »

crazygringo wrote: post #44
lm28469 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this the end game of humanity though ? Let's create more bs jobs so that people can continue to afford new shiny gadgets ? > ALWAYS Earth is a finite environment, with finite resources, at some point it won't scale anymore, especially with today's ecological concerns. The world isn't going to run on cells phones and TV shows indefinitely, and even if, I think we should strive for more than that > People just alway…

Nobody said better things require more resources. If anything, modern manufacturing uses far less than it did decades ago, with less pollution, people renting things more than wasteful owning, etc. E.g. when driverless taxis come along, expect to see car manufacturing plummet. > there is more to life than working 50%+ of our awake time to watch netflix and buy iphones Life is what you make of it. If you want to write…

Who told you that modern manufacturing produces less pollution? It may produce less of some things, but plastic and evergy use is way up in recent years. For example, a modern car has far less recyclable or recycled content than one from the 80s (more plastic, less steel).
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