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Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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Post by chomp »

spamizbad wrote: post #6

I don't get it - why are people angry with her over her father's actions?

So the gist of it is that when she was running for election, she hired her father as an election agent while he was being investigated for his crimes, and also she lived in the house he performed his crimes in at the same time.

I think that this is worthy of criticism, but the problem here is that the few journalistic pieces that investigate this also push a strong anti-trans theme while also criticizing her at the same time, and at least one of them (the Graham Linehan one) is most definitely against Reddit's hate speech policy. I would not be surprised if this is the source of most of the bans, which is causing more of an uproar amongst the people who align with Graham Linehan's thinking.

There are quite a few critical pieces that I see on Reddit that are remaining up, even her name being mentioned in comments and not being banned, so I don't think this is worth the uproar that is being generated.

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Post by phpnode »

kmonsen wrote: post #39
phpnode wrote: post #22

HN is also penalising threads that discuss this. This post has 74 upvotes in 27 minutes and 11 comments at time of writing. Ordinarily it would significantly outrank most of the other posts on the front page, but it doesn't seem to be able to break past #15. Either this is because HN users are flagging it, or because something else is going on. As Reddit is a YC company it'd be really nice to hear an explanation. Thi…

Isn't this orthogonal to anything about that persons gender status? It should be possible to have a discuss and ban any comments that would normally be banned around gender status or more specific around this persons gender status? Are we not capable of having a reasonable discussion around a person and their actions just because of this?

Yeah it's nothing to do with their gender status, but someone reading those threads now might draw the conclusion that the stories were flagged or penalised due to the transphobia, which is not the case - the penalty came before the hate.

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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Post by jandrese »

phpnode wrote: post #22

HN is also penalising threads that discuss this. This post has 74 upvotes in 27 minutes and 11 comments at time of writing. Ordinarily it would significantly outrank most of the other posts on the front page, but it doesn't seem to be able to break past #15. Either this is because HN users are flagging it, or because something else is going on. As Reddit is a YC company it'd be really nice to hear an explanation. Thi…

HN's moderation system is rather susceptible to brigading. Downvotes will flow like water to certain topics, regardless of the quality of the original post or the discussion therein.

Bots have effective veto power over every story.

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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Post by debacle »

howinteresting wrote: post #30
high_derivative wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And these employees are deleting subreddits (e.g. gender critical), suppress media they don't like..it's really surprising reddit has not found attention the same way twitter or facebook have. Maybe because of their political leanings.

Some media should be suppressed and some media shouldn't be. The "gender critical" subreddit for example was full of hatred for trans people like myself. I don't believe that exercising your power to suppress something you don't like is inherently good or bad. It obviously depends on the contents of what is being suppressed.

History teaches us that moral authoritarianism, properly executed, is the stuff of nightmares.

Society should progress, but not "at any cost" or "by any means."

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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Post by Traster »

I've got to assume that the bannings are being done by Aimee as the new admin, because I can't imagine that anyone else at reddit would be so unfamiliar with Reddit that they would think this is a good idea. Look how much shit Ellen Pao got, and she was basically doing a decent job. I can't imagine this is going to go much better.

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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Post by hfktk4nrn »

CryptoPunk wrote: post #35

Reddit is crazy when it comes to anything trans related. Any comment mildly oppositional to the dominant trans agenda and belief system results in a ban. This is what happens when you hire ideological extremists with victim complexes to try to prove you're inclusive.

Trans is for Reddit what nuclear energy is for HN.

Anything negative about these two issues will quickly get you downvoted, flagged and banned on the respective forum.

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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Post by howinteresting »

debacle wrote: post #46
howinteresting wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some media should be suppressed and some media shouldn't be. The "gender critical" subreddit for example was full of hatred for trans people like myself. I don't believe that exercising your power to suppress something you don't like is inherently good or bad. It obviously depends on the contents of what is being suppressed.

History teaches us that moral authoritarianism, properly executed, is the stuff of nightmares. Society should progress, but not "at any cost" or "by any means."

Not at any cost, but this cost is plainly acceptable.

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

BrianOnHN wrote: post #32
sir_bearington wrote: post #28

The irony is that I almost certainly would have zero idea who this person was or the existence of this controversy were it not for this crackdown. On one hand I can empathize with people seeing someone they know have negative press about them shared on a site they run and wanting to do something. But I thought the point of professionalism was refraining from this kind of behavior and applying rules consistently even…

> The Streisand effect is a social phenomenon that occurs when an attempt to hide, remove, or censor information has the unintended consequence of further publicizing that information https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect Edit: added quote.

I wonder if her name will be remembered for the effect longer than for her celebrity.
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