Leaked NPD(German right wing party) donors-list meets Google maps • Hacker News Board

Re: Leaked NPD(German right wing party) donors-list meets Google maps

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Post by adimitrov » Tue, Jun 14, 2011, 5:39 PM UTC

hugh3 wrote: post #33

First they came for the yada yada yada... I really wish that before deploying a tactic like this against their political enemies folks would stop and consider what the world would be like if the shoe was on the other foot and their political enemies were deploying it against them. But a seriously large number of people seem to have an attitude that "It's okay, we can do this, we're the good guys".

I must agree with you; but the list itself got so much exposure in the German media already, that it'd be pointless debating this collection in GoogleMaps.

In general, it's kind of a difficult topic. I agree, that votes cast should always be private. But I'm partial on donations. A scenario in which supporters of an illegal party would be prosecuted by an oppressive state is quite different from simply making it known exactly who supports a legal party in any kind of state. As long as there is no consequence whatsoever for the donors themselves, I believe that open donations can make the political game more public, and less secretive.

Wasn't there a similar discussion in America about concealing names of donors in presidential elections? I can't remember anymore, must've been around the time Obama came to power.

Re: Leaked NPD(German right wing party) donors-list meets Google maps

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Post by lupatus » Tue, Jun 14, 2011, 5:52 PM UTC

cipherpunk wrote: post #16

radiosnob wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i'm not sure if you're alluding to something in particular or trying to make a joke. but saying that its frowned upon to be proud of your own country (regardless of country), is to me, not a nice thing to say. singling germany out forever because of past events is dis-ingenious. i would say that anyone whose nose gets bent out of shape because a german says they are proud of their country probably needs to take a sec…

"The working class have no country". Nationalism is just a way to consolidate state power, and breeds strife amongst nations. It inevitably leads to a us-and-them scenario. The sooner it is stamped out, the better.

Nations are literally and figuratively large families. For example, roughly 25% of the USA populace claim descent from the Pilgrims[1] - a small group of ~100 people.

Nationalism is simply having pride in your family. To "stamp out" pride in your nation means that you have to "stamp out" pride in your family. The family is the basis of Western Civilization[2], and if you destroy the family, you get a lot of very bad and unwanted things as a consequence (like mass welfare and a halt to scientific progress).

[1]http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/25/us/not-quite-your-ancestor... [2]http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/marriage/mf0060.ht...

Re: Leaked NPD(German right wing party) donors-list meets Google maps

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Post by chalst » Tue, Jun 14, 2011, 6:53 PM UTC

hugh3 wrote: post #33

First they came for the yada yada yada... I really wish that before deploying a tactic like this against their political enemies folks would stop and consider what the world would be like if the shoe was on the other foot and their political enemies were deploying it against them. But a seriously large number of people seem to have an attitude that "It's okay, we can do this, we're the good guys".

There's no doubt that this is illegal. It's hard not to derive a little pleasure, though, when such illegal nastiness happens to the bad guys.

Do be aware that the NPD isn't just guilty of holding unpopular views. The NPD frequently organises aggressively provocative rallies that generally lead to predicted violence, with the police reporting between 500 and 1,000 violent crimes most years that are rooted in right extremism - beating up immigrants, people who dress "wrong", &c.

Re: Leaked NPD(German right wing party) donors-list meets Google maps

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Post by anamax » Wed, Jun 15, 2011, 1:42 PM UTC

JabavuAdams wrote: post #35

anamax wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The whole "I'm proud to be X" would sound a bit rude or ignorant in my circles. Of course it's rude. Everyone knows that you're supposed to say "I'm happy/proud to not be an American."

No, that's not what I'm getting at. I'm trying to convey a different perspective. For example very few houses or business here have flags. It's mostly a car-dealership / cottage thing. It's actually just jarring to see how many flags are on display in the US even without getting into political sympathies. It's the visual equivalent of someone shouting in public.

> For example very few houses or business here have flags.

That's because you know that most of you are "not American" when you're in Canada.

Travelling Canadians outside the country tend to sprout flags.

Re: Leaked NPD(German right wing party) donors-list meets Google maps

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Post by JabavuAdams » Wed, Jun 22, 2011, 2:24 PM UTC

anamax wrote: post #44

JabavuAdams wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, that's not what I'm getting at. I'm trying to convey a different perspective. For example very few houses or business here have flags. It's mostly a car-dealership / cottage thing. It's actually just jarring to see how many flags are on display in the US even without getting into political sympathies. It's the visual equivalent of someone shouting in public.

> For example very few houses or business here have flags. That's because you know that most of you are "not American" when you're in Canada. Travelling Canadians outside the country tend to sprout flags.

Canadian flags. In Canada. As a comment on Canadian culture and US culture-shock. More clear?