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Greenwald: Yesterday Journalists Spread a Significant Lie All over Twitter

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Re: Greenwald: Yesterday Journalists Spread a Significant Lie All over Twitter

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This is the classic way to attack Glenn. Ascribe to him views he did not advance. "The caller is fantastic" then attack those. Glenn is ok. What he describes is a real problem.

As I said, I agree with his premise. I still consider it disingenuous to hide Daily Caller journalists behind the label "conservative".

Your opinion about that label changes nothing. And you attacked Glenn by claiming he said things he didn't.

This is really, really common. If you want to laugh look at Glenn's tweets and replies sometime. He gets in there and aggressively defends himself from a never-ending string of false accusations ranging from ridiculous to heinous. I guess a lot of democrats shut their eyes because Trump was horrible and said things that were pretty nuts to "help." Now that the incredibly low bar of "better than Trump" is no longer interesting they're faced with having done it and don't like it when Glenn calls it out. He then gets a lot of hate. I've seen him accused of being a white supremisist, a libertarian shill, a homophobe, a Russian asset, an anti-semite. The convulsions people attempt to try and make something, anything stick is really quite mind boggling until you give up and just start laughing.

The caller are conservative. They have passing reference at best in that story and mostly to note they called it out because they're allowed in their corporate structure for partisan reasons (vonservative) rather from any commitment to truth. All the people mentioned who did back down on the claim and those who didn't he called out on Twitter on real time. It's a short report. It's nuts to have claimed it ever!

The media landscape is a lot worse than most people have noticed. Glenn is a welcome relief from that. Disagreeing with Glenn is good. Shouldn't make you feel bad because he argues from evidence and has integrity. Unless you're too partisan to see it and want him to be a scoreboard reinforcing 'my team is better' and give you warm fuzzies about it because he doesn't do that.

More power to Glenn. I know i don't have the stomach for what he puts up with on a daily basis.

Re: Greenwald: Yesterday Journalists Spread a Significant Lie All over Twitter

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Hunter Biden's laptop is an incredibly awful story. Fox reporters claimed to have obtained the hard drive, then lost it due to conspiracy from the delivery company, then found it, and now refuses to show the contents because Hunter Biden is a down and out man, and it's so sad to kick a remorseful man trying to turn his life around. This is the story according to Fox, and specifically Tucker Carlson — that we cannot s…

I’m sorry? Specific content of the laptop was released, the Biden team was asked if it was authentic and the answer was “no comment”. Why would they do that if it was fake news?

And what content was released? Tucker Carlson specifically stated that kindness for a "pathetic" man was his reason for not releasing "damning" criminal evidence to the public.

Where would the Intercept go with that story, not getting to see any evidence, and having the story end on Tucker Carlson saying he won't publicize evidence on corruption? And that the FBI has no comment? What would The Intercept do with No Comment?

That's the vulnerable position that Glenn Greenwald would've placed the publication with the bet to jump on the Hunter Biden story with zero access to evidence. Greenwald wanted the Intercept to go all-in with him.

Re: Greenwald: Yesterday Journalists Spread a Significant Lie All over Twitter

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Can you imagine being a professional journalist, and making the fully rational decision that the hunter biden laptop story was the hill you wished to die upon, resigning in a huff from your employer of many years? Greenwald has lost a great deal of credibility. And now he's still harping on about it as if this supposed laptop is earth-shatteringly important news? Mostly I feel sorry for Greenwald and how clearly unhi…

It sounds like you don’t understand why he left. The agreement at The Intercept was that reporters had editorial control. That worked fine until Glenn decided to write about the Hunter laptop. Suddenly that rule went out the door. Suddenly the article had to be revised or else. I mean, if you employer promised to do something important and then reneged, isn’t leaving a pretty reasonable thing to do?

The Intercept obviously had a rather different take[1]

In Short Greenwald had full control about his opinion pieces. What he wanted and didn't get is no editorial intervention in a piece of factual reporting.

No half way sane media outlet would ever allow that.

[1] https://theintercept.com/2020/10/29/glenn-greenwald-resigns-...

Re: Greenwald: Yesterday Journalists Spread a Significant Lie All over Twitter

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As I said, I agree with his premise. I still consider it disingenuous to hide Daily Caller journalists behind the label "conservative".

Your opinion about that label changes nothing. And you attacked Glenn by claiming he said things he didn't. This is really, really common. If you want to laugh look at Glenn's tweets and replies sometime. He gets in there and aggressively defends himself from a never-ending string of false accusations ranging from ridiculous to heinous. I guess a lot of democrats shut their eyes because Trump was horrible and said th…

> Your opinion about that label changes nothing.

Well, for me this this mislabeling makes me distrust the entire post so it does indeed change a lot.

> And you attacked Glenn by claiming he said things he didn't.

Which are?

Re: Greenwald: Yesterday Journalists Spread a Significant Lie All over Twitter

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What gets me about this is that it's always a "laptop" being discussed. Shouldn't we be discussing a hard drive? Or is the incriminating evidence on the keyboard?!

I’m guessing “hard drive” in common usage still refers to the big box under the desk. In that sense a laptop does not have a hard drive.

It pains me that you could be right about their reasoning for word choice. It's one of those things where the misconception rivals the truth, not too unlike sherbet being pronounced sherbert, using "literally" for emphasis, or saying "I could care less".

Re: Greenwald: Yesterday Journalists Spread a Significant Lie All over Twitter

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Your opinion about that label changes nothing. And you attacked Glenn by claiming he said things he didn't. This is really, really common. If you want to laugh look at Glenn's tweets and replies sometime. He gets in there and aggressively defends himself from a never-ending string of false accusations ranging from ridiculous to heinous. I guess a lot of democrats shut their eyes because Trump was horrible and said th…

> Your opinion about that label changes nothing. Well, for me this this mislabeling makes me distrust the entire post so it does indeed change a lot. > And you attacked Glenn by claiming he said things he didn't. Which are?

It's right there where i said it still. Glenn argues from evidence. Your claim of mislabeled changes none of that evidence. And i's not mislabeled either, the caller isn't socialist.

Pretty sure this conv has gone past the point of being useful or entertaining to anyone so i wish you the best.

Re: Greenwald: Yesterday Journalists Spread a Significant Lie All over Twitter

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I don’t see a way out of this, I suppose we should all just get used to living in reality tunnels and learn to get along with people with opposite beliefs.

The internet has broken the old model of trust and information propagation (similarly to how books broke it in the middle ages). A new model will eventually arrive and settle, but boy it's going to be painful for the society until then.

Re: Greenwald: Yesterday Journalists Spread a Significant Lie All over Twitter

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Why not read the post and cite the parts you find off-the-rails, then?

Terrence Tao, respected mathematician, doesn't take the time to read most people who send him their work, and in fact has an explicit policy about how he will ignore such requests. And I doubt it's fair to say that mathematical error or amateurism makes you "off the rails". Yet Terrence Tao won't give such people the time of day. What role does Credibility play in conversation?

Did you just compare yourself with Terry Tao? Or are you comparing Glenn Greenwald—a Pulitzer prize-winning journalist and one who helped Snowden tell his story—with crackpots who send Tao their papers?

Re: Greenwald: Yesterday Journalists Spread a Significant Lie All over Twitter

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Who is Mr. Greenwald[0]

> Greenwald, a former lawyer who, in 2013, was one of the reporters for a Pulitzer Prize-winning series in the Guardian on Edward Snowden’s disclosures about the National Security Agency, is a longtime critic, from the left, of centrist and liberal policymakers and pundits. During the past two years, he has further exiled himself from the mainstream American left by responding with skepticism and disdain to reports of Russian government interference in the 2016 Presidential election. On Twitter, where he has nearly a million followers, and at the Intercept, the news Web site that he co-founded five years ago, and as a frequent guest on “Democracy Now!,” the daily progressive radio and TV broadcast, Greenwald has argued that the available evidence concerning Russian activity has indicated nothing especially untoward;...

> ... Greenwald has tried to cut back on social media. “My No. 1 therapeutic goal is to reduce my Twitter usage,” he said...

[0] https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/09/03/glenn-greenwal...

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