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Re: Wayland in 2021

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Post by MaxBarraclough »

curt15 wrote: post #32
foobar33333 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nvidia is basically dead at this point, no support for standards that have been around for years. And now they are including malware in their cards to slow down unapproved calculations.

CUDA is an industry standard, and AMD's lack of support is why NVIDIA enjoys a monopoly in the deep learning community.

Is this due to CUDA being a technically superior product, or is it just that it's entrenched?

OpenCL/AMD is a usable and mature platform, right?

Re: Wayland in 2021

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Post by Ciantic »

colordrops wrote: post #5

Is it still the case that Nvidia drivers don't work with Wayland?

Yes, but the patch by Erik Kurzinger from Nvidia may soon be merged [1].

It still requires changes to Nvidia's proprietary drivers that I think have not been done, but it maybe that this year it will be settled.

Edit: Also it maybe that the Ubuntu choosing Wayland maybe what pushed the Nvidia forward? [2]

[1]: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/01/ubuntu-21-04-will- use-wayland-by-default

[2]: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/merge_requests...

Re: Wayland in 2021

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Post by gurkendoktor »

Decabytes wrote: post #39

I don’t know how I feel about Wayland. On the one hand it’s being made by x11 devs so I think they more than anyone else know why they would need to start from scratch over improving x11. On the other hand, moving away from x breaks so many things and I haven’t heard anyone singing it’s praises yet about how happy they are to use it. I understand apps are breaking because they relied on features of x that were securi…

Besides security concerns, mixed-DPI setups are such a major pain point with X11 that many people who use a laptop with additional screens would probably switch to Wayland just for that alone. That's a large demographic.

Re: Wayland in 2021

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Post by [deleted] »

k_sze wrote: post #10

Does ibus work seamlessly in Wayland yet? As a person who regularly needs to input French, Chinese, and Japanese, besides English, I tried Wayland in Kubuntu 20.04 and a non-working ibus was a complete showstopper for me.

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Re: Wayland in 2021

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Post by mulle_nat »

I was really looking forward to Wayland, when I moved to Linux. It was then said to be right around the corner. That was six years ago. If the current state of Wayland is as bare-bones as depicted in the article, it's just sad. And as there is no support for OBS on the horizon, it's a non-topic for me. And I never liked X11 to begin with...

Re: Wayland in 2021

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Post by mrwoggle »

dmytrish wrote: post #35
k_sze wrote: post #10

Does ibus work seamlessly in Wayland yet? As a person who regularly needs to input French, Chinese, and Japanese, besides English, I tried Wayland in Kubuntu 20.04 and a non-working ibus was a complete showstopper for me.

It's not a Wayland problem, ibus does not work in KDE even on X11.

It should work on Kubuntu and X11, but I remember that the installation and configuration process (or at least the documentation) is a bit lacking. Make sure you also install the ibus-[input method] package. If you don't the ibus preferences still allows you to add a chinese/japanese input method, but it doesn't actually do anything. You might also want to restart your x11 session after that.

Re: Wayland in 2021

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Post by ducktective »

chousuke wrote: post #16
k_sze wrote: post #10

Does ibus work seamlessly in Wayland yet? As a person who regularly needs to input French, Chinese, and Japanese, besides English, I tried Wayland in Kubuntu 20.04 and a non-working ibus was a complete showstopper for me.

ibus works with Gnome out-of-the-box. On sway/wlroots, you will have more luck with fcitx. I don't know which tool works best with KDE.

Why, in Wayland, support of some basic features has to do with what DE or TWM you use? It is not like this in X11 and it seems there is more adherence to the UNIX philosophy in X11.

Re: Wayland in 2021

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Post by mrweasel »

Decabytes wrote: post #39

I don’t know how I feel about Wayland. On the one hand it’s being made by x11 devs so I think they more than anyone else know why they would need to start from scratch over improving x11. On the other hand, moving away from x breaks so many things and I haven’t heard anyone singing it’s praises yet about how happy they are to use it. I understand apps are breaking because they relied on features of x that were securi…

If Wayland doesn’t replace X11, then something else needs to show up, or we drop the idea of a Linux/BSD desktop. X11 is pretty much abandoned as this point. It’s only a few RedHat engineers who are doing minor patches and no one want to manage the future releases.

Re: Wayland in 2021

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Post by daniel-thompson »

foobar33333 wrote: post #27
colordrops wrote: post #5

Is it still the case that Nvidia drivers don't work with Wayland?

Nvidia is basically dead at this point, no support for standards that have been around for years. And now they are including malware in their cards to slow down unapproved calculations.

> Nvidia is basically dead at this point

As of this morning's Nvidia's market cap ($320B) is bigger than AMD's ($100B) and Intel's ($255B).

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