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Bitcoin miners in Abkhazia are causing blackouts in remote villages [video]

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Bitcoin is so inefficient that it is hilarious that people complaining about the environment also buy bitcoin. If you want to buy into crypto at least go for ethereal

Ethereum is as inefficient as Bitcoin, just at a slightly smaller scale.

It looks like the nft scene on ethereum is starting to migrate to tezos, because gas is cheap there and it is PoS since the beginning. I wonder how that would influece the ethereum commmunity.

Re: Bitcoin miners in Abkhazia are causing blackouts in remote villages [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am talking about Proof-of-Work being attached to an 'asset' of astronomical value. Governments should ban the transaction of PoW cryptocurrencies on environmental grounds, in addition to the misallocation of computer chips.

Bitcoin without PoW has no value. It's the entire reason it works. Without expending a finite resource to produce another, you can't constrain a money supply nor prevent it from attacks. Governments would be unwise to ban a voluntary system for the same reason they don't ban any other uses of energy that people question the value of (there are plenty). In any case, it will not stop, only move. If not to another massi…

Well then if we must choose between planet, and greaseballs, we'll choose the planet any day.

Re: Bitcoin miners in Abkhazia are causing blackouts in remote villages [video]

#43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am talking about Proof-of-Work being attached to an 'asset' of astronomical value. Governments should ban the transaction of PoW cryptocurrencies on environmental grounds, in addition to the misallocation of computer chips.

Bitcoin without PoW has no value. It's the entire reason it works. Without expending a finite resource to produce another, you can't constrain a money supply nor prevent it from attacks. Governments would be unwise to ban a voluntary system for the same reason they don't ban any other uses of energy that people question the value of (there are plenty). In any case, it will not stop, only move. If not to another massi…

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Re: Bitcoin miners in Abkhazia are causing blackouts in remote villages [video]

#44
This is awesome. I just wish more governments would wake up to the fact that crypto does nothing beyond suck resources and warm the planet. If you want to bet on things that go up & down, there is the stock market where things go up and down 20%+ every single day.

Re: Bitcoin miners in Abkhazia are causing blackouts in remote villages [video]

#45

I've never heard of Abkhazia before, so I had to look it up. It's a partially recognized state, part of Georgia [0]. There's even been a war in 1992-1993, after the collapse of the USSR [1]. Sometimes I'm still surprised of my ignorance about important facts that happened during my lifetime. Anyway, the next question for me was: why is electricity so cheap there, and should I assume it's cheap 24/7, and therefore gen…

People are pretty poor there, and Russia supports them a lot (you can have russian passport if you live there). I assume most infrastructure is supported using russian help. It is logical Russia does not want her money spent by miners, who are probably not even from Abkhazia.

There is Russia and then Russians there running things. They have different goals. If Abkhazia is anything like I think it is...you just pay someone up and you can do whatever you want. That includes stealing electricity, or killing someone.

"Now I'm in power so it's my chance to grab something" is the mentality in a lot of countries.

Re: Bitcoin miners in Abkhazia are causing blackouts in remote villages [video]

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This seems like the wrong approach. I don't see how closing large-scale mining facilities will suddenly solve the problem. As long as the energy remains cheap, mining will just move underground. I could see miners offering ordinary villagers kickbacks to "host" a few miners on their premises as to conceal the energy consumption behind what appears to be legitimate usage.

You cannot move "underground" when you are sucking that much power. The government did what they should have done, and what all governments should have done a long time ago and shut this nonsense down. It's sucking up resources and only adding to wealth inequality. Bitcoin rewarded a small group of very smart people very very very well. It then rewarded morons... hordes and hordes of morons very very well too. We wil…

You can move underground. Put a PC in regular homes with a few GPU's, kick back some money for the people letting you do it, and the energy is dissipated across dozens of regular homes. Sure, it would be a lot of work. But it's certainly worth it given the very cheap energy.

Re: Bitcoin miners in Abkhazia are causing blackouts in remote villages [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems like the wrong approach. I don't see how closing large-scale mining facilities will suddenly solve the problem. As long as the energy remains cheap, mining will just move underground. I could see miners offering ordinary villagers kickbacks to "host" a few miners on their premises as to conceal the energy consumption behind what appears to be legitimate usage.

What is the alternative? Raise energy costs for people who may not be able to afford it because of of a few abusers?

I'm curious why electricity is so cheap there. If it's caused by subsidies, the alternative is obviously replacing the subsidies by income transfers. If it's not caused by subsidies, there must be a better way to profit from their competitive advantage of being able to produce electricity cheaper than anyone else in the world.

Re: Bitcoin miners in Abkhazia are causing blackouts in remote villages [video]

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How does the network protocol of bitcoin work? Would governments be able to block it? Can it be DDoS-ed?

They can't. You only need around 1mb/minute bandwidth to be able to operate. Changing ports can be easily circumvented by using a proxy. It's much easier to detect the guy who is drawing all this electricity.

Re: Bitcoin miners in Abkhazia are causing blackouts in remote villages [video]

#49

So now the developing world will start using their energy to mine BTC instead of manufacturing goods for us to consume. Will this ultimately cause inflation then? Because demand for goods will not be met? This crypto experiment keeps yielding more interesting results.

"This crypto experiment keeps yielding more interesting results."

I completely agree. I don't pay attention to a lot (or any) online economic circles, but I'm astounded at the pushback of high profile economists (Krugman, et al) against the shear novelty of the moment for their discipline.

Regardless of whether or not someone "believes" in bitcoin, the reality of the times is that cryptocurrencies are creating fantastically interesting economic experiemnts right under our noses. This seems like it would be the dream come true for an economist from an observational/curiosity perspective

Re: Bitcoin miners in Abkhazia are causing blackouts in remote villages [video]

#50

I've never heard of Abkhazia before, so I had to look it up. It's a partially recognized state, part of Georgia [0]. There's even been a war in 1992-1993, after the collapse of the USSR [1]. Sometimes I'm still surprised of my ignorance about important facts that happened during my lifetime. Anyway, the next question for me was: why is electricity so cheap there, and should I assume it's cheap 24/7, and therefore gen…

It's a beautiful place. Stalin used to have a house there.

If it weren't for its current situation, it would be a great destination for tourists.

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