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Biggest void in space is 1B light years across (2007)

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Re: Biggest void in space is 1B light years across (2007)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've heard this idea in the context of Dyson spheres/swarms. The issue is that, while they'd be invisible or dim to the eye, the areas would be very bright in infrared.

The whole concept of Dyson Spheres, or anything even vaguely like that, is totally absurd. (Even Dyson said so.) Any space-faring culture will have mastered controlled fusion long ago, and have entirely left behind any material dependence on stars. The best places to live, then, are out in the Kuiper belts and beyond, where unlimited room and cold are available for free, and valuable gases are lying about, frozen. In…

>Expanding menace civilizations will run up against overwhelmingly more advanced stable cultures before long and be contained or destroyed, so odds are none could get here before that happens.

This seems like an interesting thought experiment care to expand on that?

Re: Biggest void in space is 1B light years across (2007)

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> The void, which is nearly a billion light years across, is empty of both normal matter and dark matter. The finding challenges theories of large-scale structure formation in the universe. How do they know or believe that it doesn't contain dark matter?

”The lack of radio sources means that there are no galaxies or clusters in that volume, and the fact that the CMB is cold there suggests the region lacks dark matter, too.”

Re: Biggest void in space is 1B light years across (2007)

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Posted it because it reminds me of an hypothesis I once saw, that we might be able to detect alien civilizations based on blank spots in the sky where they've managed to divert all the energy from their environment.

It might not be as empty as it looks. Maybe it’s just got a really big dark sheet over it. Astronomers don’t consider the possibility of ginormous dark sheets in space.

It's obviously just some commented out code in this simulation we live in

Re: Biggest void in space is 1B light years across (2007)

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> The void, which is nearly a billion light years across, is empty of both normal matter and dark matter. The finding challenges theories of large-scale structure formation in the universe. How do they know or believe that it doesn't contain dark matter?

Dark matter has gravitational influence, which is detectable.

Re: Biggest void in space is 1B light years across (2007)

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> The void, which is nearly a billion light years across, is empty of both normal matter and dark matter. The finding challenges theories of large-scale structure formation in the universe. How do they know or believe that it doesn't contain dark matter?

”The lack of radio sources means that there are no galaxies or clusters in that volume, and the fact that the CMB is cold there suggests the region lacks dark matter, too.”

Interesting inference, to make it we have to hypothesize that dark matter has an effect on the CMB in the first place, is that at least somewhat backed up by any observations?

Re: Biggest void in space is 1B light years across (2007)

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Imagine being a civilization on the edge of a galaxy on the edge of the void. One direction, nothing whatsoever. The other direction, billions upon billions of galaxies. Would be neat!

Imagine being a civilization alone in the void, and not even a generation ship could make contact with anyone else, even if they knew which direction to send it.

This article was written in 2007 about the Giant Void. [0] In 2013, the KBC Void [1] was discovered, named after its discoverers, Keenan, Barger, and Cowie. The KBC void is 2 billion light years across, twice the diameter and 8 times the volume of the Giant Void. Both the Giant Void and the KBC Void contain galaxies, the Giant Void containing 17 galaxy clusters, and the KBC Void containing the Laniakea Supercluster. [2] The Laniakea Supercluster contains the Milky Way. Something to imagine, indeed.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_Void

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KBC_Void

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laniakea_Supercluster

Re: Biggest void in space is 1B light years across (2007)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sort of. In Vinge's world, the slow zone is just a natural phenomenon, not something artificially created. And in the slow zone you're basically limited to nearly-speed-of-light travel consistent with our contemporary understanding of relativistic physics (which is unbearably slow to anyone who can travel much faster than that outside the slow zone). Whereas in Liu Cixin's books, if I remember correctly, they actuall…

If I remember correctly, there's some ambiguity whether the slow zone was created by some power or naturally occurring (or a bit of both) although a bit of both is perhaps the natural answer.

You may be right; it's been a long time since I read A Fire upon the Deep or A Deepness in the Sky.

Re: Biggest void in space is 1B light years across (2007)

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Imagine being a civilization on the edge of a galaxy on the edge of the void. One direction, nothing whatsoever. The other direction, billions upon billions of galaxies. Would be neat!

I would be curious to hear if the odds of life existing on the edges of the universe were lower.

It should be the other way around. When everything is packed closer together you are far more likely to fall victim to supernovas, more asteroids and so on that can end life on your planet.

Re: Biggest void in space is 1B light years across (2007)

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Imagine being a civilization on the edge of a galaxy on the edge of the void. One direction, nothing whatsoever. The other direction, billions upon billions of galaxies. Would be neat!

That's actually us - the Local Group (the Milky Way, Andromeda and other smaller galaxies, about 3 Mpc diameter) is part of the Local Sheet (about 5 Mpc × 0.5 Mpc) which is on the boundary of the Local Void (about 60 Mpc diameter).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Void

* 1 megaparsec = 3.26 million light years

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