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Comparison of Postsurgical Scars Between Vegan and Omnivore Patients

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Re: Comparison of Postsurgical Scars Between Vegan and Omnivore Patients

#41

Not a surprise. Collagen is important for healing skin wounds, and vegans get none from their diet. (Collagen is just a protein, so it can be generated by the body, but it's easier for the body to simply take collagen from dietary sources.)

>it's easier for the body to simply take collagen from dietary sources.

Digestion doesn't work like that. Any ingested collagen is broken down to amino acids like all other proteins. Then the amino acids are re-polymerized into collagen.

Re: Comparison of Postsurgical Scars Between Vegan and Omnivore Patients

#42
I've actually noticed this effect on myself too. It's very pronounced in fact.

I have a bad habit of biting my cuticles. I also happen to observe lent, effectively going vegan for 50 days every year.

Typically my cuticles heal the next day, or two at most. But every single time I enter lent, suddenly my cuticles take more than a week to heal the same amount. The difference is very obvious, to me at least.

Re: Comparison of Postsurgical Scars Between Vegan and Omnivore Patients

#43

I would like to see a comparison between the top 10% vegan and omnivores. Most vegans are clueless when it comes to making up deficiencies in typical vegan diets. Glycine is one of the relevant aminos that is very suboptimal or even scarce in vegetarian and vegan diets. It is also going to be one of the important (and likely most common) limiting factors in tissue repair. Proline is also needed for collagen productio…

> Most vegans are clueless when it comes to making up deficiencies in typical vegan diets The same goes for non-vegans.

However non-vegans don't normally need to make up for the deficiencies in typical vegan diets.

Re: Comparison of Postsurgical Scars Between Vegan and Omnivore Patients

#44

What's the point of having a better looking scar if you're more likely to get colon cancer? Also, given that study itself measured Iron and B12, supplementing Iron and B12 may help scar healing w/o the (red) meat eating downside.

Note how the study compares vegan diets with omnivore diets, not with salami and bologna diets.

Re: Comparison of Postsurgical Scars Between Vegan and Omnivore Patients

#45

I'm curious if there are good, informative studies about mental health and veganism. Arguably mental health is more important when considering a choice like veganism.

I found this: https://academic.oup.com/nutritionreviews/advance-article-ab...

also: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/animals-and-us/20181...

then there is the question: do people with mental health issues tend to gravitate towards veganism or is the diet itself is causing the issues.

I would like to see a study with a large number of participants from diverse backgrounds who are meat eaters and then go vegan and see if that affects their mental health. However a meat eater who is then forced to eat soy products/meat substitutes they dislike may be unhappy for that very reason. Its a difficult test condition to say the least.

Re: Comparison of Postsurgical Scars Between Vegan and Omnivore Patients

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> This study suggests that a vegan diet may negatively influence the outcome of surgical scars. This is unusually damning to veganism-as-it-is-practiced if not to veganism itself. It would be interesting to see these results across a wide range of diets.

> This is unusually damning to veganism-as-it-is-practiced if not to veganism itself. I don't think a sample size of 21 is especially damning. Nor do I think that the study's authors would come to that conclusion either.

Depends. Emotive language aside (i.e. "damning") the low sample size is actually "more evidence" in the presence of a convincingly low p value.

It means that this particular sample of 21 people would have to be extremely atypical under the null hypothesis of no difference. Therefore, given its low sample size (and thus wide standard error), it is 'some' evidence that the effect size is also probably quite large.

Re: Comparison of Postsurgical Scars Between Vegan and Omnivore Patients

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I notice the downvotes to my post, but what you was told is demonstrably wrong. As for how/why it works: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7069085/ "Fasting before or after wound injury accelerates wound healing through the activation of pro-angiogenic SMOC1 and SCG2" There are various other publications on autophagy (removing old stem cells and making new ones) For those who are going to say "in mice", th…

That's not what the senior colorectal doctor at the royal free told me last year.

Your best interest may differ from doctors best interest when treating you (not getting sued, following guidelines, getting paid for not rocking the boat)

So document yourself: medline is free, and with sci-hub, you can get the full versions of anything

EDIT: actually, no, don't document yourself. Ignorance is bliss. Why would I even care? After all, it's your life! And I care even less than your doctor, since we don't even have a contractual relationship (which you have with your doctor by virtue of paying him).

Re: Comparison of Postsurgical Scars Between Vegan and Omnivore Patients

#48

Animal protein seems to be good for wellbeing, and there's a lot of overlap between veganism, wellness awareness, and alternative food choices. Given that and the already-existing ability to create collagen/gelatin in a lab that's suitable for vegans, I've always wondered why nobody has managed to get it to market as a food. There's already a growing group of wellness-focused people who don't want typical non-gelatin…

> Given that and the already-existing ability to create collagen/gelatin in a lab that's suitable for vegans, I've always wondered why nobody has managed to get it to market as a food.

Outside of some pastry applications (eg. mirror cake glazing), it's pretty much only used for Jell-O and aspic, neither of which are particularly trendy at the moment.

There's gelatin and collagen in soups as part of making broth, but it's not really something that people see as an ingredient.

Re: Comparison of Postsurgical Scars Between Vegan and Omnivore Patients

#49

What's the point of having a better looking scar if you're more likely to get colon cancer? Also, given that study itself measured Iron and B12, supplementing Iron and B12 may help scar healing w/o the (red) meat eating downside.

Personally I think that a good, healthy diet is one that does not require me to take supplements to counter deficiencies.

Obviously that does not mean that eating a lot of meat is good, but having to take supplements is not good, either.

Re: Comparison of Postsurgical Scars Between Vegan and Omnivore Patients

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post #48

Animal protein seems to be good for wellbeing, and there's a lot of overlap between veganism, wellness awareness, and alternative food choices. Given that and the already-existing ability to create collagen/gelatin in a lab that's suitable for vegans, I've always wondered why nobody has managed to get it to market as a food. There's already a growing group of wellness-focused people who don't want typical non-gelatin…

> Given that and the already-existing ability to create collagen/gelatin in a lab that's suitable for vegans, I've always wondered why nobody has managed to get it to market as a food. Outside of some pastry applications (eg. mirror cake glazing), it's pretty much only used for Jell-O and aspic, neither of which are particularly trendy at the moment. There's gelatin and collagen in soups as part of making broth, but…

Huge demand for collagen powder as a beverage additive lately though. Could definitely be a real opportunity.
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