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Re: LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace

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Post by seanwilson »

Gustomaximus wrote: post #38
seanwilson wrote: post #31

https://support.upwork.com/hc/en-us/articles/211064098-Log-T... > It’s easy to bill your time using the Upwork desktop app. ... > When you have logging turned on, the app takes random screen captures six times per hour—once per 10-minute billing segment. Anything visible on your screen will display in your Work Diary, but you have the option, in Settings, to choose whether the screen captures your entire desktop or o…

I use a client like this for new freelancers/employees that are working full time or larger jobs. It is intrusive but 100% is needed for some people or they take the piss. I'm too busy to follow their workload and sit there estimating times of jobs match hours. I check it one a week for ~10min to see hours logged per day and quick random to check its not loads of time wasting. It feels intrusive but there is little d…

There isn't a way you could track results instead of the time they're sitting in front of the computer? That way you don't waste time micromanaging and the freelancer is rewarded for working smarter rather than longer.

With time tracking, the freelancer earns less if they find shortcuts and you'd probably rather the work was finished sooner rather than later so the incentives are all mixed up.

Re: LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace

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Post by kumarvvr »

I dont know about the US, but in India, a lot of private companies do not allow freelancing during off time.

The value of Upwork is that it is separated from the real world, as in you could form a company and use that front to earn money.

That will be hard to do in LinkedIn. Who wants to advertise or showcase their freelance work to their colleagues and family?

Re: LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace

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Post by randomchars »

Gustomaximus wrote: post #38
seanwilson wrote: post #31

https://support.upwork.com/hc/en-us/articles/211064098-Log-T... > It’s easy to bill your time using the Upwork desktop app. ... > When you have logging turned on, the app takes random screen captures six times per hour—once per 10-minute billing segment. Anything visible on your screen will display in your Work Diary, but you have the option, in Settings, to choose whether the screen captures your entire desktop or o…

I use a client like this for new freelancers/employees that are working full time or larger jobs. It is intrusive but 100% is needed for some people or they take the piss. I'm too busy to follow their workload and sit there estimating times of jobs match hours. I check it one a week for ~10min to see hours logged per day and quick random to check its not loads of time wasting. It feels intrusive but there is little d…

> little difference than people walking past someone in an open plan office

> in its worse its little different from having a micro manager in a on-site office experience

That itself is a pretty horrible thing, and I'm glad I don't have to work for people like you.

Re: LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace

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Post by XenophileJKO »

cheschire wrote: post #26
spoonjim wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a decision that the Microsoft CEO gets briefed on, and can veto, but largely an independent subsidiary doing something like this doesn’t come from the mother ship.

I hope you're that forgiving by default to all leaders who's organizations / countries make controversial decisions, and aren't just being a Microsoft apologist.

LinkedIn largely is independent. Especially on smaller product decisions like this. We already had something like this for years as a limited release product. It was called "ProFinder".

Re: LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace

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Post by NiceWayToDoIT »

seanwilson wrote: post #31

https://support.upwork.com/hc/en-us/articles/211064098-Log-T... > It’s easy to bill your time using the Upwork desktop app. ... > When you have logging turned on, the app takes random screen captures six times per hour—once per 10-minute billing segment. Anything visible on your screen will display in your Work Diary, but you have the option, in Settings, to choose whether the screen captures your entire desktop or o…

How do they record your thinking time, do they take a brain snapshot?! As writing new code represents 30% of all time...

Re: LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace

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Post by tartoran »

Gustomaximus wrote: post #38
seanwilson wrote: post #31

https://support.upwork.com/hc/en-us/articles/211064098-Log-T... > It’s easy to bill your time using the Upwork desktop app. ... > When you have logging turned on, the app takes random screen captures six times per hour—once per 10-minute billing segment. Anything visible on your screen will display in your Work Diary, but you have the option, in Settings, to choose whether the screen captures your entire desktop or o…

I use a client like this for new freelancers/employees that are working full time or larger jobs. It is intrusive but 100% is needed for some people or they take the piss. I'm too busy to follow their workload and sit there estimating times of jobs match hours. I check it one a week for ~10min to see hours logged per day and quick random to check its not loads of time wasting. It feels intrusive but there is little d…

How about assessing their work and thats that. Did they finish the tasks on time? Great, no need to snoop on them. Are they bad at the job then maybe try another person. I personally work in spurts and when im active I run through the work very fast then I need lighter tasks to put the work in the back of my head. Im still working on it even if looks like in not. It isn’t anybody’s business how I use my time as long as the work gets done. This reminds me I had a boss who was nosy and micromanaging. I followed his orders and became a lot less productive. It’s like this, you want control? I’ll give you 0 creativity back, no initiative and passion. I work on task and give 0 thoughts about it when done. Well, Im a lot older and would simply not accept to work like this and luckily i don’t need to.

Re: LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace

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Post by codesuela »

oblio wrote: post #15
chovybizzass wrote: post #2

excellent. fiverr is nothing but trash and upwork only has tops 25/hour jobs in usa. need a legit gig site.

> upwork only has tops 25/hour jobs in usa Honest question, but for IT stuff, why would it have stuff over $25/hour? It's going to be remote work, anyway, so there will be someone, somewhere, in a country with a lower cost of living, that will work for that money or even less. It's only normal that Americans won't be able to compete, over time :-)

not really, in my experience on Upwork for 25$/hour you can't really find someone who is a competent engineer and also speaks solid english (no matter the country).

Re: LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace

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Post by kube-system »

kumarvvr wrote: post #42

I dont know about the US, but in India, a lot of private companies do not allow freelancing during off time. The value of Upwork is that it is separated from the real world, as in you could form a company and use that front to earn money. That will be hard to do in LinkedIn. Who wants to advertise or showcase their freelance work to their colleagues and family?

It varies in the US. Both in company policy, in what is protected by law per state, and in how people feel about it. I know some people who openly moonlight, and some who keep it quiet because their employers frown upon it.

Re: LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace

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Post by AmericanChopper »

Gustomaximus wrote: post #38
seanwilson wrote: post #31

https://support.upwork.com/hc/en-us/articles/211064098-Log-T... > It’s easy to bill your time using the Upwork desktop app. ... > When you have logging turned on, the app takes random screen captures six times per hour—once per 10-minute billing segment. Anything visible on your screen will display in your Work Diary, but you have the option, in Settings, to choose whether the screen captures your entire desktop or o…

I use a client like this for new freelancers/employees that are working full time or larger jobs. It is intrusive but 100% is needed for some people or they take the piss. I'm too busy to follow their workload and sit there estimating times of jobs match hours. I check it one a week for ~10min to see hours logged per day and quick random to check its not loads of time wasting. It feels intrusive but there is little d…

For most of my contract work I use virtual desktops that are entirely controlled by my clients. I presume that they’re typically able to monitor everything I do in any way they choose. I’ve never had a problem with this, and I don’t see any practical difference between that system and this one. If a client ever started trying to excessively micromanage me I think I’d just not take another contract with them. I can’t remember ever getting any unreasonable questions about billing though.

Re: LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace

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Post by firechickenbird »

seanwilson wrote: post #31

https://support.upwork.com/hc/en-us/articles/211064098-Log-T... > It’s easy to bill your time using the Upwork desktop app. ... > When you have logging turned on, the app takes random screen captures six times per hour—once per 10-minute billing segment. Anything visible on your screen will display in your Work Diary, but you have the option, in Settings, to choose whether the screen captures your entire desktop or o…

As far as I know, monitoring like this is illegal everywhere in Europe
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