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Building an E-Ink Laptop

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Re: Building an E-Ink Laptop

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Has anybody tried to retrofit a transflector into a laptop LCD screen? I've got no idea if this is even possible but I'd love to be able to just trigger a brightness=0 and see a smartwatch-type display that doesn't strain my eyes.

A Pebble monitor, that would be wonderful!

Re: Building an E-Ink Laptop

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Hey folks, I've recently had the idea of building an e-ink laptop from the devices I had at home. I decided to document the process and share each step of the way: Some of the posts planned for the series are: Dasung Paperlike HD-FT teardown, Thinkpad T480 teardown, Creating the prototype, Installing and configuring NixOS, M-x e-ink-laptop-mode If you have any questions or comments, feel free to reach out.

Cool project. What's the refresh rate of the screen? Can you scroll down a webpage without a lot of latency?

It's going to be bad. Like 500ms probably.

Scrolling is pretty much worse case. The more of the display you repaint the longer it's going to take.

There's also a trade off...getting faster refresh means worse resolution and contrast.

Re: Building an E-Ink Laptop

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I wish I had a large e-ink display for coding. I imagine a large screen would be prohibitively expensive, and the latency will be terrible. Too bad. It would be nice for my eyes.

Dasung recently revealed 25 inch eink monitor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTok6imfgoM

Re: Building an E-Ink Laptop

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Can you please add an RSS feed for your blog? Would like to subscribe for updates.

What program do you use for rss subscriptions?

NewsBlur[1] for syncing, Reeder[2] for reading and backing up to local OPML file (can also be done via NewsBlur's web app: Preferences > General > "Backup your sites" > "Download OPML").

[1] https://newsblur.com/

[2] https://reederapp.com/

Re: Building an E-Ink Laptop

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The truth is that most real consumers (as apposed to us technologists) don't want e-ink technology. It is monochrome, can't do video, limited interactive due to refresh rate and ghosting... the only real thing it has going for it is low power usage. And that pairs well with applications where you spend a long time staring at the screen, and periodically initiating a compute burst to change the screen contents. In oth…

There is some new Eink phones out that have colour! But wihtout google play store, and they are still probably a long way off from having 10" + screens with colour. https://goodereader.com/blog/reviews/hisense-pro-cc-color-e-...

>But wihtout google play store

With the refresh rate of e-ink, wouldn't the google play store be useless anyway? Most apps would be unbearable (games a non-starter, scrolling a no-no, etc).

Re: Building an E-Ink Laptop

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Great effort. I compromised and bought a Boox e-reader with a 10" screen, it runs Android so pared with a BT keyboard it is quite the productivity machine for when I need to write an essay or similar offline no distraction activities.

Re: Building an E-Ink Laptop

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The truth is that most real consumers (as apposed to us technologists) don't want e-ink technology. It is monochrome, can't do video, limited interactive due to refresh rate and ghosting... the only real thing it has going for it is low power usage. And that pairs well with applications where you spend a long time staring at the screen, and periodically initiating a compute burst to change the screen contents. In oth…

The "Patents are Bad!" trope always comes up in any e-ink thread. Not sure why. I love e-ink (I prefer to read books on a kindle), but I think if the demand were there the prices would come down, as you pointed out.

Demand doesn't bring prices down. Or not much anyway.

Everybody would like a Ferrari/Rolex/etc., but they don't get cheaper because of it. In fact, high demand combined with a monopoly means you don't need to lower prices at all. (You lower price to raise demand, but you don't need to if you have strong demand at your current prices).

Competition does lower prices. And with patents competition is impossible. As if for a competitor to make improvements to the process/technology, while still using parts of it (they would still infringe).

Re: Building an E-Ink Laptop

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I think the right way to bring this to market is a snap-on macbook pro display: https://twitter.com/jtdaugh/status/1348719574481592324?s=20

>Imagine if you could do legitimate work for 4 straight hours while sitting in the park.

If that work involves scrolling or anything like that, I imagine those "4 straigt hours" having the productivity of 30 minutes in a regular display.

Re: Building an E-Ink Laptop

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$1000 for the screen. These E-ink patents can’t expire soon enough.

One thing I don't get: Aren't the patents from the 90s? And US patents last 20 years, right? So why haven't they expired already?

They are constantly creating new patents:

https://patents.justia.com/assignee/e-ink-corporation

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