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Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

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Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

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Post by freeburma »

5tefan wrote: post #40

I try to understand how this decision came to be and I have no idea? A standardised set of rules would surely lead to many many more pages being taking down. And why now and not last week?

Because Myanmar people lobbied for it.

The military is shooting its own people, kidnapping them in the middle of the night, and torturing them.

Over 10 protestors dead and 50+ injured, as they are using live rounds on protestors. Over 500+ disappeared or kidnapped. Protestors killed include two teenagers shot in the head, one of them a medic. They also shot at ambulance. They’ve threatened to kill doctors. Stole the covid vaccination after beating doctors trying to stop them.

Last night they shot a neighborhood watchman in my neighborhood.

Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

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Post by sep_field »

quietbritishjim wrote: post #39
sep_field wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Duckduckgo is a competitor to Google. Its based on Yandex and Bing, two other competitors to Google. Noone needs Facebook, it serves no valid purpose for the human race. Same with Twitter. We don't need them, and we don't need competition for them. They should go away with no replacement. Source: was Facebook engineer. Listened to Fuckerberg make one too many all-hands speeches about engagement. Resigned several year…

The practical reality is that sharing photos of some group event with the other people at that event is easy in Facebook, and hard to imagine how to do that without some analogous service. I'm aware that many people use Facebook for other odd things but this was Facebook's original use case, and the literal source of its name, and it is still useful for that. Even if you could come up with some alternative or even de…

Facebook runs a huge amount of different services. Some of them have value, but they are ones that people had and have other alternatives for. This doesn't mean that Facebook as a whole has value, as the whole is more evil than the sum of its parts. Anything of value will not be lost as we de-Facebook the planet.

Also, the original use case of Facebook was for Mark and his buddies to rate the attractiveness of their female classmates and share inside information on them. Despicable.

Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

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Post by grumple »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #37
ginko wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This supposes there will be a facebook competitor Why does there have to be a competitor? I think we will do fine without social media.

Those on social media are more powerful than those off it. The most obvious example is that large Twitter audiences can be monetized, whether by selling a book or asking for Patreon subscribers. That seems to imply social media is here to stay, in one form or another. It's a bit of a "rules for rulers" paradox: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs&ab_channel=CGPGr... in the sense that power structures exist in…

More powerful in some ways. When I deleted my Facebook account, I certainly lost a platform for communication with a few thousand friends. But I gained so much time. I regained mental energy and focus. I basically immediately gained time to study and doubled my income (which is a more useful form of power in my opinion).

From another perspective, I also think the benefits of Facebook are ephemeral. Yes, many people use these platforms right now for turning themselves into commodities; but other platforms and methods certainly exist, are longer lasting, and you don’t have to worry about a sudden ban.

Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

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Post by otabdeveloper4 »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #33
sep_field wrote: post #26

I'm in favor of Facebook taking down absolutely any page, whether it agrees with my political views or not. Why? Because Facebook's power comes from network effects. The more people, across the political spectrum, find their interests to be blocked on Facebook, the less people will find value in Facebook in general. Over time, this means Facebook is committing suicide. This is the best possible outcome for humanity.…

I'm not sure this is a realistic worldview though. This supposes there will be a facebook competitor. As the decades march on, perhaps there will be, but it might not be till we're long gone. There still isn't a competitor to Google, for example. Parler was a competitor to Twitter, and you saw how that played out. The next competitor is going to have to deal with that quandary.

The Facebook competitor is "not using Facebook".

I haven't used it for ten years, can't say I miss it.

Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

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Post by freeburma »

For all the people oblivious to why Facebook did this:

Because Myanmar people lobbied for it, and because the Myanmar military is terrorizing its own people, then lying about it.

The military is shooting its own people, kidnapping them in the middle of the night, and torturing them.

Over 10 protestors dead and 50+ injured, as they are using live rounds on protestors. Over 500+ disappeared or kidnapped. Protestors killed include two teenagers shot in the head, one of them a medic. They also shot at ambulance. They’ve threatened to kill doctors, and kidnapped many of them. Stole the covid vaccination after beating doctors trying to stop them.

Last night they shot a neighborhood watchman in my neighborhood (we have neighborhood watch to try and prevent late night kidnapping/disappearing by military).

We lobbied hard to get Facebook to take down this page and others where the Tatmadaw are attempting to cover up the truth.

Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

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Post by nix23 »

It's interesting, Aung San Suu Kyi (with a freedom nobel-price) is/was responsible for the expulsion, killing and raping of rohingya's. But when the military takes over that's a big nono.

BTW: Hitler was also democratically elected, wouldn't have been the worst thing if the Wehrmacht made a coup then, like for example "operation valkyrie".

Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

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Post by freeburma »

georgebarnett wrote: post #16

I remain convinced that Facebook is incrementally scrubbing news and politics from their platform.

Ah yes, the travesty of murderous thugs shooting their own citizens having their Facebook page taken down. What ever has the world come to.

Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

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Post by asxd »

aminozuur wrote: post #20

What about the US military's FB page? Didn't they cause thousands of innocent deaths in Iraq? I'm sure some Americans can somehow justify it, but I doubt the grieving Iraqi's will accept it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mukaradeeb_wedding_party_massa...

The difference is the Myanmar military was killing their own citizens.

A country's military firing live rounds on their own citizens with seemingly no remorse is different than a country's military committing violence in foreign countries.

I'm certainly not condoning either example of military force presented here, but the duty of the military should ultimately be to preserve their citizens. Killing its own citizens and then using social media to lie about it is something I don't think the US military has done.

Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

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Post by reimertz »

sep_field wrote: post #42
quietbritishjim wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The practical reality is that sharing photos of some group event with the other people at that event is easy in Facebook, and hard to imagine how to do that without some analogous service. I'm aware that many people use Facebook for other odd things but this was Facebook's original use case, and the literal source of its name, and it is still useful for that. Even if you could come up with some alternative or even de…

Facebook runs a huge amount of different services. Some of them have value, but they are ones that people had and have other alternatives for. This doesn't mean that Facebook as a whole has value, as the whole is more evil than the sum of its parts. Anything of value will not be lost as we de-Facebook the planet. Also, the original use case of Facebook was for Mark and his buddies to rate the attractiveness of their…

Would yoy be interested in doing an AMA? Seems like you have a lot to say and I'd be down to listen.

Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

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Post by freeburma »

nix23 wrote: post #46

It's interesting, Aung San Suu Kyi (with a freedom nobel-price) is/was responsible for the expulsion, killing and raping of rohingya's. But when the military takes over that's a big nono. BTW: Hitler was also democratically elected, wouldn't have been the worst thing if the Wehrmacht made a coup then, like for example "operation valkyrie".

She was not. AASK never had any authority over the military. At all. Military was legally above elected government before the coup, controls all the courts, legally guaranteed 25% of the legislature, wrote the constitution, and the comander-in-chief was never appointed by elected government. Military never answered to AASK or took orders from her or the president.

At best, you could call AASK an apologist for military. But that ignores that she was really their prisoner even while “free”, and the delicate negotiation she engaged in an attempt to build a civilian government, as flawed as it was.

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