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Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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lozaning wrote: post #38
samstave wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UH??? Serious Question: So are the early adopters subsidizing the masses down the line? i.e. so at $100/mo + $600 start-up/set-up fee -- thats for early adopters ... so the "african farmer who can pay And the encryption policy? The Privacy policy? The data-mining-of-location-history policy? Yeah, it's a Nope from me dawg... And I folow Elon closely, and I like a lot of what he says and stands for - but he is at the b…

Can you share more info on 'the encryption policy' you're worried about? I'd not heard any cause for concern regarding encryption on starlink and was debating potentially signing up for their service.

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Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by walrus01 »

samstave wrote: post #20
geerlingguy wrote: post #14

I was able to place an actual order just last week in St. Louis, MO. I will be using it and doing some tests in an area that actually has cable Internet (though spotty, and until very recently was limited to less than 20 Mbps up, no matter how much you paid). But you have to realize, when you look at the $600 initial cost and $100 monthly fee—this will bring 100+ Mbps down and 15+ Mbps up to so many places (even in s…

UH??? Serious Question: So are the early adopters subsidizing the masses down the line? i.e. so at $100/mo + $600 start-up/set-up fee -- thats for early adopters ... so the "african farmer who can pay And the encryption policy? The Privacy policy? The data-mining-of-location-history policy? Yeah, it's a Nope from me dawg... And I folow Elon closely, and I like a lot of what he says and stands for - but he is at the b…

It's an ordinary DIA link, except right now it's in cgnat IP space. There are no restrictions on crypto. You can run whatever VPN or crypto through it you want. I'm doing so right now.

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by sf_rob »

timbit42 wrote: post #3
sf_rob wrote: post #2

I believe that this is new. I received an email from them about opening orders by address on a first come first serve basis with $99 deposit.

They started this about a week ago.

Thanks! It was new to me and I didn't see any posts at a glance. Guess I'll leave it because there's momentum.

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by walrus01 »

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #17

Any idea on pricing? I wonder how many people would switch over if it was priced ~$10 higher than a Comcast plan, just to avoid having to deal with Comcast. I hope this ubiquitous competition will force prices for wired Internet down and customer service quality up. And if it is able to scale, this will be a VERY attractive offer in underdeveloped countries like Germany. (Germany may be a first world country, but the…

It is not intended as a competitor for Comcast. A well built, engineered and maintained DOCSIS3 system with channel bonding can easily support 600Mbps+ down per user (not all at once simultaneously, the standard metrics of oversubscription apply), and 20-25 Mbps up. Starlink is intended for more fringe or impossible to reach areas.

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by noahtallen »

kodah wrote: post #11
thorwasdfasdf wrote: post #4

100$ a month. Plus a 600$ fee to buy the hardware. i think they said 50mbps - 150mpbs It's a little on the pricey side but at least, as far I know, it's not comcast or at&t.

For people who live in rural areas this is pretty typical.

Typical in rural areas is $100 for 5mbps or even less. This is less than a mile outside of a town with a university and decent cable connection — they just don’t lay cable out into the country, and the phone lines can’t (or won’t) handle higher speeds

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by throwaway888abc »

tylerscott wrote: post #21
2pEXgD0fZ5cF wrote: post #8

Has anyone analysed Starlink in terms of jitter and packet loss yet? Seems like every source so far only shows average ping and down/up speed.

Anecdotal for sure but our connection has been fairly consistent. We do experience the occasional 10 second disconnect every so often. SSH over Starlink has me reach for my DSL for those use cases. If you want specific numbers, I can pull whatever data.

Try Mosh (https://mosh.org/) if you can for those SSH drop outs.

Did you tested/used anything like Zoom, Google Meet, Face Time, Signal, Whatsapp ? How is the beta experience ? Usable ? Can you comment please ? Thank you

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

teej wrote: post #33
jedimastert wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And the encryption policy? The Privacy policy? The data-mining-of-location-history policy? What's the difference between this and any other ISP?

Many folks don’t know or forgot that there are ISPs in the US that do deep packet inspection and inject banner ads into http traffic.

Seems like this has to be giving dwindling returns with so much of the web being on https these days.

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by walrus01 »

junon wrote: post #32
betwixthewires wrote: post #5

This is great. I'm glad this project is coming along fast. I'm hoping some time soon that the fixed location requirement is lifted, or at the very least they allow users to sign up to it as a sort of mobile service. I know it isn't handheld, but for people who move around a lot and especially who work in remote outdoor situations, the ability to move around with this service would be amazing. I'm sure at some point,…

My understanding is that limitation is mostly technical and managerial at this point, to help manage things in the early stages. I would too imagine this being eliminated later on.

They intentionally need to populate a certain number of terminals into specific geographic areas to test, measure and refine how time-sharing contention and the equivalent of TDMA is being setup. Each terminal has a GPS receiver in it and reports home with its location.

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by fuzxi »

samstave wrote: post #20
geerlingguy wrote: post #14

I was able to place an actual order just last week in St. Louis, MO. I will be using it and doing some tests in an area that actually has cable Internet (though spotty, and until very recently was limited to less than 20 Mbps up, no matter how much you paid). But you have to realize, when you look at the $600 initial cost and $100 monthly fee—this will bring 100+ Mbps down and 15+ Mbps up to so many places (even in s…

UH??? Serious Question: So are the early adopters subsidizing the masses down the line? i.e. so at $100/mo + $600 start-up/set-up fee -- thats for early adopters ... so the "african farmer who can pay And the encryption policy? The Privacy policy? The data-mining-of-location-history policy? Yeah, it's a Nope from me dawg... And I folow Elon closely, and I like a lot of what he says and stands for - but he is at the b…

Nothing about their privacy policy looks intrusive, at all. [1]

The data they collect is either necessary for them to keep (your name, address, payment information, etc.), diagnostic (IP address, HTTP headers, etc. ONLY on their own websites, plus quality of starlink connection e.g. latency and throughput), or optional (survey responses). They don't sell the data or share it with anyone unless necessary for legal or business reasons (payment info shared with payment processor and such).

[1]: https://www.starlink.com/legal/privacy-policy

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