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Frustration Is Spreading Faster Than the Vaccine Is

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Re: Frustration Is Spreading Faster Than the Vaccine Is

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I get it, but you've made it 11 months already, case counts are falling rapidly, spring is coming, and people getting vaccinated will drive down new cases even more. Calm down and wait another month or two.

To be honest, I get the sentiment. Arrival of vaccines was greeted as huge relief, and months after that, all I see is squabbling of politicians yet again caught completely unaware of realities of life. Companies not delivering what they promised, referring to some small prints in the contracts (which to be fair, were stupid to be signed but I suspect that states either accepted the contracts or didn't get anything).…

It's strange what you write about Switzerland, it's supposed to be the 4th best country in number of vaccinations (at 4%). Is that a lie?

At the same time I understand that pregnant people don't get vaccines, as the vaccine was not tested on pregnant people and it's hard to know the effects on the babies. It makes sense to skip them and get to herd immunity without them instead of harming the baby.

Re: Frustration Is Spreading Faster Than the Vaccine Is

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Those countries aren't communist though. If something needs to die it's communism.

Yes, that's the point. You won't believe numbers from any communist country. So I provided nearby non-communist countries who have significant overlap in strategy, with good success, whose numbers you will believe. We can infer that even more stringent measures would have resulted in even better outcomes. Thus the communist countries are likely not lying about their numbers.

But neither Taiwan nor South Korea have had stricter lockdowns than the US.

Re: Frustration Is Spreading Faster Than the Vaccine Is

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post #3

I get it, but you've made it 11 months already, case counts are falling rapidly, spring is coming, and people getting vaccinated will drive down new cases even more. Calm down and wait another month or two.

The case counts will go up again within the next 2 months due to little vaccination and multiple mutations making their way through many countries. Germany and US will look like Britain, fighting B117, not too long from now.

Germany is "already" discussing to losen the lockdown and open schools again. It's really stupid in terms of epidemiology, fully understandable socially, and actually necessary in terms of economy. Germany has vaccinated a measely 2 million people, only 900k got the second dose (https://esri-de.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html...)

There's a wave of suicides coming from people who have lost a lot during the lockdowns.

Re: Frustration Is Spreading Faster Than the Vaccine Is

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be honest, I get the sentiment. Arrival of vaccines was greeted as huge relief, and months after that, all I see is squabbling of politicians yet again caught completely unaware of realities of life. Companies not delivering what they promised, referring to some small prints in the contracts (which to be fair, were stupid to be signed but I suspect that states either accepted the contracts or didn't get anything).…

It's strange what you write about Switzerland, it's supposed to be the 4th best country in number of vaccinations (at 4%). Is that a lie? At the same time I understand that pregnant people don't get vaccines, as the vaccine was not tested on pregnant people and it's hard to know the effects on the babies. It makes sense to skip them and get to herd immunity without them instead of harming the baby.

I don't know if its a lie, just saying what I see around me. That friend isn't pregnant yet but planning soon, but at the most risky doctor job one could have with covid, in biggest hospital, and still unable to get vaccinated.

My wife is pregnant, and as you write they don't get vaccination, just hope for the best and not catching it (since it has some potentially pretty nasty effects on pregnancy).

Re: Frustration Is Spreading Faster Than the Vaccine Is

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those countries aren't communist though. If something needs to die it's communism.

Yes, that's the point. You won't believe numbers from any communist country. So I provided nearby non-communist countries who have significant overlap in strategy, with good success, whose numbers you will believe. We can infer that even more stringent measures would have resulted in even better outcomes. Thus the communist countries are likely not lying about their numbers.

According to WHO numbers, South Korea has almost as many cases (80k) as China (100k). I believe the SK one, but I can't believe the numbers for a big country such as China. They have 50 times the population of SK.

Note that likely the number of infections is larger than the official numbers in the western countries as well. But I trust the ones from the west (or SK) far more than the Chinese numbers.

Re: Frustration Is Spreading Faster Than the Vaccine Is

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What’s to remain calm about with a State government too busy trying to figure out who it is most fair to inject shots into arms, losing doses in the time it takes to figure it out, rather than getting shots into arms? Start delivering on demand and the manufacturing supply will take care of itself.

You're kinda proving the point here. The source article is about exactly the opposite problem: Maryland is widely distributing vaccines rather than micromanaging fairness, so there are a lot of random tricks available for people to get vaccines faster, and the author is frustrated about that. When there's no perfect strategy available, we can and should push for continual improvement, but there's a point where we hav…

My point is the entire process is over-bureaucratized.

If you want to prioritize anyone, with COVID specifically you come to two conclusions about who you might want to prioritize first: the very old and any employee involved in front-line healthcare work.

For the former, there’s a Federally administered healthcare system specifically for anyone 65+. For the latter: they work within, are affiliated with, or have relatively straightforward access to hospitals and generally clean spaces to inject a vaccine. They are also showing a lot of disinterest in getting the vaccine, and many of them have already been infected and survived COVID.

So States largely don’t need to involve themselves in vaccinations for the 65+ but they can provide additional resources of necessary, if Medicare can do it instead, and I’ll go out on a limb and say health care workers should get priority. Fine, but by this point most of them have had the opportunity and accepted or declined, and the priority access should be time-limited, not based on what percentage of them chose to accept. The time has passed, let’s move on.

For everyone else, if someone shows up, wants the vaccine and you have it; inject it. Need more? Order more. Manufacturing is not the bottleneck at this point. Just getting a goddamned appointment is, and this is bottlenecked by stupid rules about who is allowed to get an appointment in some States including mine, because some people are sitting behind desks at home paid by the government throwing around words like “push for continual improvement”, “strategy” and “doing their best”.

You want a strategy? It’s called a factory line. I was always amazed whenever I walked into a Kaiser with a buddy of mine anytime she needed blood work and impressed by how they had industrialized the process of drawing large quantities of blood from up to 10 people at a time in a small office space in under 5 minutes. Never been to another hospital like it. Injecting people should look a lot like that, and if you need to spread people out like we do, that’s fine, there’s plenty of space when you’ve made this a national priority. We have nothing but space.

Re: Frustration Is Spreading Faster Than the Vaccine Is

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I don’t understand why there isn’t a simple system where you register your interest in vaccine, age, medical conditions and leave your contact info to be called in when your shot is ready.

There seems to be one of those per county. And no one seems to have gotten contacted as a result of registering via those sites. Everyone I know who has gotten vaccinated has done it either through their employer or as a result of bombarding the grocery store/pharmacy websites.

Re: Frustration Is Spreading Faster Than the Vaccine Is

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Legitimately humorous how the article associates America's failure with a communist distribution system, when communist countries worldwide have completely knocked their coronavirus response out of the park - so much so that it is considered unfair to compare America's atrocious coronavirus response with these countries instead of its "cohort" of countries failing just as badly, like the UK.

Ah yes, just lock people in their apartments against their will and they cannot infect other people, genius

Well, yeah. Hundreds of thousands of people would have died otherwise, like they did in America. Duh.
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