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B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

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Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

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Post by hn8788 »

gumby wrote: post #25
proc0 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> SF leads in all areas of innovation, including crime. Not anymore they won't. And you think criminals from outside the city/state don't know that people have no guns there? That's attractive to anyone trying to break the law.

Do people really travel any kind of distance to commit crimes? I thought that most crimes were committed in one's own neighborhood, then nearby ones.

Public transportation is frequently used for commiting crimes around Baltimore, to the point that they've started to shut down train stops outside the city. It's sad too, because the bus and train stops were added so people in the city had wider access to employment, but violent crime rates spiked in the areas surrounding the stops, so now the people that live and work around the stops are trying to get the government to shut them down. I can't really blame them though, because a local mall added bus stops, and now the mall has guard towers throughout the parking lot because of the muggings and shootings that came along with the bus stop.

Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

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Post by aphextron »

wombat-man wrote: post #7
jacquesc wrote: post #5

I wonder if the Union square Apple store has this issue, or if PR keeps it hush. I'd imagine it would be really bad for business if customers found out, and they print money at that location

I think apple products can be locked remotely if they are known to be stolen.

>I think apple products can be locked remotely if they are known to be stolen.

Doesn't really matter. They can still be flipped for a few hundred bucks for the components.

Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

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Post by monadic3 »

tjalfi wrote: post #9
ilamont wrote: post #2

Good for him, standing up for his employees who clearly must be very alarmed. B8ta has stores around the globe, and Norby told SFGATE last month that the crime in San Francisco is unlike anything the company experiences elsewhere. “This actually doesn’t happen anywhere else in the country,” he said. “We have 17 other stores, including three internationally. This just doesn’t happen anywhere else. It’s only here.” Why…

Proposition 47[0] in 2014 substantially reduced the penalties for shoplifting, grand theft, forgery, fraud, and other crimes. Stealing It would be surprising if this didn't lead to a substantial increase in the crime rate. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_California_Proposition_47

There are two options for the unemployed: find survivable employment or go to jail.

It's cheaper to employ cops than it is to employ the rest of us, so why try for the latter when we can moralize criminality?

Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

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Post by pwim »

stonesweep wrote: post #12
tjalfi wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Proposition 47[0] in 2014 substantially reduced the penalties for shoplifting, grand theft, forgery, fraud, and other crimes. Stealing It would be surprising if this didn't lead to a substantial increase in the crime rate. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_California_Proposition_47

I personally think it leads to this theory which my life experience tends to agree with: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory

While the broken windows theory was popular in the past, the research doesn’t support it: https://news.northeastern.edu/2019/05/15/northeastern-univer...

Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

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Post by tristanb »

In the last month in San Francisco. - Someone was shot on my doorstep at 6am. Survived. - My friend was woken up on the couch when a bullet landed at his feet. (Was fired up in the air and came down through a skylight). - My wife found a homeless person so dead they had rigor mortis - We tried to buy a house and failed when it had 37 other offers

I still love this place, and its been my home for 15 years but it ain't easy.

Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

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Post by snapetom »

ilamont wrote: post #2

Good for him, standing up for his employees who clearly must be very alarmed. B8ta has stores around the globe, and Norby told SFGATE last month that the crime in San Francisco is unlike anything the company experiences elsewhere. “This actually doesn’t happen anywhere else in the country,” he said. “We have 17 other stores, including three internationally. This just doesn’t happen anywhere else. It’s only here.” Why…

Guarantee you if the Seattle store was in Downtown, you would see the same thing. The physical environment is right - huge population of drug addicts and homeless and less populated due to COVID. The political climate is right - the Attorney General barely prosecutes violent assaults, and flat out doesn't prosecute property crimes. The voters are fine with this.

The B8ta store here is in an upscale mall in the University District. If violent crime starts affecting these more affluent areas, then maybe voters will care.

Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

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Post by dariusj18 »

tjalfi wrote: post #9
ilamont wrote: post #2

Good for him, standing up for his employees who clearly must be very alarmed. B8ta has stores around the globe, and Norby told SFGATE last month that the crime in San Francisco is unlike anything the company experiences elsewhere. “This actually doesn’t happen anywhere else in the country,” he said. “We have 17 other stores, including three internationally. This just doesn’t happen anywhere else. It’s only here.” Why…

Proposition 47[0] in 2014 substantially reduced the penalties for shoplifting, grand theft, forgery, fraud, and other crimes. Stealing It would be surprising if this didn't lead to a substantial increase in the crime rate. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_California_Proposition_47

Since this is talking about armed robbery, I don't think this has anything to do with it.

Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

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Post by fortran77 »

jjj123 wrote: post #34
ilamont wrote: post #2

Good for him, standing up for his employees who clearly must be very alarmed. B8ta has stores around the globe, and Norby told SFGATE last month that the crime in San Francisco is unlike anything the company experiences elsewhere. “This actually doesn’t happen anywhere else in the country,” he said. “We have 17 other stores, including three internationally. This just doesn’t happen anywhere else. It’s only here.” Why…

Could it be the extreme wealth and extreme poverty that the Bay Area has? We have California’s highest levels of income inequality, not sure how we compare with the rest of the us [1]. 1: https://www.kqed.org/news/11799308/bay-area-has-highest-inco...

What are you saying? These people are stealing and pointing guns at people only because they feel it's "unfair" that other people have more money than they do?

Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

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Post by fortran77 »

dragonwriter wrote: post #10
ilamont wrote: post #2

Good for him, standing up for his employees who clearly must be very alarmed. B8ta has stores around the globe, and Norby told SFGATE last month that the crime in San Francisco is unlike anything the company experiences elsewhere. “This actually doesn’t happen anywhere else in the country,” he said. “We have 17 other stores, including three internationally. This just doesn’t happen anywhere else. It’s only here.” Why…

> Why do the stores in SF attract violent crime compared to, say, a store in another West Coast city? Population density and economic inequality are probably the big factors.

Manhattan is much more dense, and even in the 70s and early 80s, when I was there, it wasn't as bad as San Francisco. I live 40 miles south of SF and I refuse to go there.

Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

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Post by ALittleLight »

dariusj18 wrote: post #47
tjalfi wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Proposition 47[0] in 2014 substantially reduced the penalties for shoplifting, grand theft, forgery, fraud, and other crimes. Stealing It would be surprising if this didn't lead to a substantial increase in the crime rate. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_California_Proposition_47

Since this is talking about armed robbery, I don't think this has anything to do with it.

The armed robbery was the event that pushed them over the edge. The other robberies/thefts they mention were just people stealing stuff. I think it's also possible that a community that ignores theft isn't too harsh on more serious crimes too.
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