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We're Building a Calendar for Work

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Re: We're Building a Calendar for Work

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Post by Jtsummers »

kritiko wrote: post #10

"You know how Presidents and executives manage to be fully present for the extent of a 30 minute meeting? They never spend time thinking about when to leave, what time it is or how long they have until the meeting ends." Strikes me as overpromising what their tool can deliver. Presidents and executives have people who they pay to protect their time and also offload a lot of the basic tasks of daily life - cooking, cl…

Offices used to offer some of that protection (not extending to the home/personal life) to their employees by having a secretary/admin attached to individual teams. At my last office, they experienced a sharp decline in productivity as things like business travel, writing/tracking memos, scheduling meetings, etc. was shifted increasingly to the technical staff and individual workers.

Ostensibly, the travel site was more efficient, but only in the sense that they dropped a 5-person travel office that had previously handled things. But the site was so hard to use correctly that they hired another 5-person travel office and a 10-person finance team to help manage travel and the use of corporate cards for the office.

Re: We're Building a Calendar for Work

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Post by xyst »

I feel like there's always some person or company that's trying to revolutionize the calendar. At this point, how different will it be from what Outlook or Google Calendar offer? Even if there's something game changing, how many people will actually maintain these two different systems?

Re: We're Building a Calendar for Work

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Post by maximp »

I loved the headline and was intrigued. However, the page told me nothing about what the product does. I was excited to see a demo, or screenshots or something. Also, this wording near the top is all fluff: "bestseller GRIP with world class and internationally praised design."

I googled "GRIP book", and found nothing.

Re: We're Building a Calendar for Work

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Post by dlvktrsh »

yvoschaap wrote: post #37
underyx wrote: post #8

Would like to point out that the first three commenters as well as the creators of the project all have links to the Netherlands. Two of the three accounts have been dormant for a long time, too, before commenting infomercial-sounding comments here.

The founders are well known and respected in The Netherlands. Not sure what you imply.

op was implying that maybe the three accounts from Netherlands might all belong to a group of people with similar motives and probably wanted others to be wary of this considering the accounts have been dormant for a while too

Re: We're Building a Calendar for Work

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Post by maximp »

mgkimsal wrote: post #29
benrbray wrote: post #16

Am I missing something or does this product page have no information about / images of the actual product? I guess the point is to generate buzz but this kind of marketing dishonesty is unwelcome. When I see something like this, I get the impression that the people who made it are looking to squeeze every last penny out of their customers once the product is popular enough. I don't get the impression that they are a…

If they had a bunch of screenshots of something that didn't exist yet, would that make you feel better? I thought one of the big lessons from startups was to talk to potential users/customers to discover and validate problems before jumping in to code. They seem to be trying a variation - putting out a scenario, and seeing who reacts to it. If people sign up, and they get some engagements from people with more proble…

It's a little bit more intricate than that. The point is to figure out what the customer needs. The Mom Test (book) covers this pretty well.

This page just kind of pokes at things everyone's frustrated about without offering a solution. But, as The Mom Test points out, there are lots of things people are kind of unhappy with, but are unwilling to pay for. I think the example they use are shoelaces: "Are you tired of bending down to tie your shoes? Having to stop in the middle of the street to re-tie them? Feeling your shoelaces wear out over time? Getting stuff stuck in there?"

Maybe, but are you actually gonna pay for a shoelace alternative? Probably not.

This page is that. It makes some sweeping statements about how work should be intentional and peaceful, and says "we're gonna solve it with a calendar", without offering any details about what that calendar is actually going to do.

If they had some screenshots, they could learn something about how their users engaged with the product. Saying vaguely positive-sounding things ("Rise is different than your current calendar, because instead of starting with meeting invites from others, it starts with you.") doesn't teach them anything.

Re: We're Building a Calendar for Work

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Post by maximp »

satvikpendem wrote: post #11

This is very interesting, I'm building something similar, an open source todo list + calendar at https://getartemis.app . I also had the same issues with todo lists and calendars. They don't communicate with each other. A calendar treats events as the main abstraction when in reality I want it to treat tasks as the main abstraction. When tasks are main, a lot of problems with todo lists are solved, especially the lac…

Oh my gosh, this is so much more intriguing than OP's landing page.

Re: We're Building a Calendar for Work

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Post by rickpastoor »

maximp wrote: post #43

I loved the headline and was intrigued. However, the page told me nothing about what the product does. I was excited to see a demo, or screenshots or something. Also, this wording near the top is all fluff: "bestseller GRIP with world class and internationally praised design." I googled "GRIP book", and found nothing.

Here's more on my book (out in NL and sold >60k copies self published, will be out internationally later this year): gripboek.nl/english

Emiel worked on Blendle, Tidal and a ton of other really pretty products.

And obviously we'll show more of the product as soon as we have it :)

Re: We're Building a Calendar for Work

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Post by [deleted] »

maximp wrote: post #46
satvikpendem wrote: post #11

This is very interesting, I'm building something similar, an open source todo list + calendar at https://getartemis.app . I also had the same issues with todo lists and calendars. They don't communicate with each other. A calendar treats events as the main abstraction when in reality I want it to treat tasks as the main abstraction. When tasks are main, a lot of problems with todo lists are solved, especially the lac…

Oh my gosh, this is so much more intriguing than OP's landing page.

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Re: We're Building a Calendar for Work

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Post by satvikpendem »

maximp wrote: post #46
satvikpendem wrote: post #11

This is very interesting, I'm building something similar, an open source todo list + calendar at https://getartemis.app . I also had the same issues with todo lists and calendars. They don't communicate with each other. A calendar treats events as the main abstraction when in reality I want it to treat tasks as the main abstraction. When tasks are main, a lot of problems with todo lists are solved, especially the lac…

Oh my gosh, this is so much more intriguing than OP's landing page.

Thanks! What drew you to it, or made it intriguing, if you don't mind me asking?

Re: We're Building a Calendar for Work

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Post by satvikpendem »

maximp wrote: post #45
mgkimsal wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they had a bunch of screenshots of something that didn't exist yet, would that make you feel better? I thought one of the big lessons from startups was to talk to potential users/customers to discover and validate problems before jumping in to code. They seem to be trying a variation - putting out a scenario, and seeing who reacts to it. If people sign up, and they get some engagements from people with more proble…

It's a little bit more intricate than that. The point is to figure out what the customer needs. The Mom Test (book) covers this pretty well. This page just kind of pokes at things everyone's frustrated about without offering a solution. But, as The Mom Test points out, there are lots of things people are kind of unhappy with, but are unwilling to pay for. I think the example they use are shoelaces: "Are you tired of…

That shoelace example is interesting because people do actually buy non-shoelace shoes, such as slipons, or the new Nike that have that folding hinge in the middle. But generally yes, I agree that one should focus on what is a real problem that people would pay lots of money for.
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