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SpaceX violated its launch license in Starship test, triggering FAA probe

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Re: SpaceX violated its launch license in Starship test, triggering FAA probe

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No mention of what was violated or the regulatory requirements, what a pointless article.

My cynical guess: this was a "Elon just Tweeted something angry/cryptic, lots of people will be trying to figure out what's going on, so let's quickly write something about it" kind of article.

Musk + SpaceX = clicks = ad revenue

Re: SpaceX violated its launch license in Starship test, triggering FAA probe

#42
post #18

Why does SpaceX need permission to launch? Why is the FAA concerned about anything other than SpaceX having the clear airspace needed to develop new spacecraft? If you want to get really good at something, you have to practice a lot. We need the FAA to get out of the way, or we will be stuck on this planet, with no backup for humanity in the event of an extinction event that affects the whole of Earth.

Why should the lives of people living in the area be risked for some future of humanity philosophy? I'm sure the average person on earth doesn't care about the future of humanity after an extinction event.

I don't think there's a recorded case of people going about their daily lives and getting struck dead by rocket or satellite debris. Eventually there'll be a first, but how many rockets are launched every year?

Getting wiped out by people jet-setting around the planet on holiday is more likely. Planet-level extinction movies are a popular genre, so yes, we do care.

Re: SpaceX violated its launch license in Starship test, triggering FAA probe

#43

Why does SpaceX need permission to launch? Why is the FAA concerned about anything other than SpaceX having the clear airspace needed to develop new spacecraft? If you want to get really good at something, you have to practice a lot. We need the FAA to get out of the way, or we will be stuck on this planet, with no backup for humanity in the event of an extinction event that affects the whole of Earth.

Why can’t I build an ICBM in my backyard and launch it without permission?

An explainer movie. (1)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Astronaut_Farmer

Re: SpaceX violated its launch license in Starship test, triggering FAA probe

#44
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not saying that SpaceX isn't allowed to do dangerous tests. I am saying that a test where a rocket might explode is the kind of thing that the FAA should 100% be involved in and it's ridiculous to pretend otherwise.

Literally every rocket launch can result in the rocket exploding.

And the FAA (or similar agency) should be involved with literally every rocket launch! Especially if it's a test!

What exactly is your point here?

Re: SpaceX violated its launch license in Starship test, triggering FAA probe

#45

Why does SpaceX need permission to launch? Why is the FAA concerned about anything other than SpaceX having the clear airspace needed to develop new spacecraft? If you want to get really good at something, you have to practice a lot. We need the FAA to get out of the way, or we will be stuck on this planet, with no backup for humanity in the event of an extinction event that affects the whole of Earth.

Why can’t I build an ICBM in my backyard and launch it without permission?

Wouldn't you prefer a good game of chess?

Re: SpaceX violated its launch license in Starship test, triggering FAA probe

#46
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Literally every rocket launch can result in the rocket exploding.

You don't see anyone saying that for the 737 Max do you? Just the corrupt FA trying to hold innovation back. Look at Boeing...

Wasn't a big part of the debacle some pretty questionable decisions by FAA as well ?

Re: SpaceX violated its launch license in Starship test, triggering FAA probe

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post #42
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should the lives of people living in the area be risked for some future of humanity philosophy? I'm sure the average person on earth doesn't care about the future of humanity after an extinction event.

I don't think there's a recorded case of people going about their daily lives and getting struck dead by rocket or satellite debris. Eventually there'll be a first, but how many rockets are launched every year? Getting wiped out by people jet-setting around the planet on holiday is more likely. Planet-level extinction movies are a popular genre, so yes, we do care.

Oh, it has happened. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelsat_708

Things are a lot easier to make safe when launching towards water, but some countries don't have that luxury.

Re: SpaceX violated its launch license in Starship test, triggering FAA probe

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post #42
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should the lives of people living in the area be risked for some future of humanity philosophy? I'm sure the average person on earth doesn't care about the future of humanity after an extinction event.

I don't think there's a recorded case of people going about their daily lives and getting struck dead by rocket or satellite debris. Eventually there'll be a first, but how many rockets are launched every year? Getting wiped out by people jet-setting around the planet on holiday is more likely. Planet-level extinction movies are a popular genre, so yes, we do care.

Possibly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelsat_708

Long March 3B launched from Xichang, China on 1996-02-15, immediately veered off course and crashed into a village near the launch site.

Official death toll is 6 dead, 57 injured, though some eyewitnesses present at the launch believe the death toll must have been much higher.

Re: SpaceX violated its launch license in Starship test, triggering FAA probe

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously? It's a test flight of an enormous brand new rocket! It exploded! It doesn't matter what the flight plan is or what SpaceX claims is enough clear airspace. Launches of this sort endanger every flight in Texas and several surrounding states. It also endangers many civilians. While the danger can be monitored and controlled to acceptable levels, every single government in the world would want close oversight…

>> ... especially when the rocket EXPLODED. I don't think the FAA cares about the explosion itself. They care about the safety of flights and the safety of people on the ground as far as flying things falling on them. We really don't know what the issue was yet.

My best guess is that SpaceX did last minute changes to the rocket, either hardware or software, deviating from the documents submitted to the FAA. This could explain why the FAA only reacts now and would make sense with what Musk said about the procedures not being able to cope with the pace of development they have.

Re: SpaceX violated its launch license in Starship test, triggering FAA probe

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> ... especially when the rocket EXPLODED. I don't think the FAA cares about the explosion itself. They care about the safety of flights and the safety of people on the ground as far as flying things falling on them. We really don't know what the issue was yet.

My best guess is that SpaceX did last minute changes to the rocket, either hardware or software, deviating from the documents submitted to the FAA. This could explain why the FAA only reacts now and would make sense with what Musk said about the procedures not being able to cope with the pace of development they have.

what I have been hearing is that the violation is in regards to a flight termination system not activating. SN8 crashed due to the header tank not having the required pressure to relight the engine. They posted that info really quick, so.. did they know during descent, prior to the landing attempt that it didn't have pressure, or prior to landing-flip? If so, wouldn't a rocket hurtling towards the ground with no chance of landing properly require a flight termination? I can't validate this, just what i've heard from insiders, but the violation was confirmed to involve the "explosive landing" so that info seems to go that way. It would make sense that they delayed termination to see if the landing flip was successful, or to at least show it, since that is the main maneuver that makes starship such a different rocket.
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