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Protocols, Not Platforms: A Technological Approach to Free Speech (2019)

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Afaict, the missing piece that undermines this is a mechanism to uniquely identify users.

I don't mean that more than one entity needs to know a user's name (in fact, you could probably create a system where nobody can realistically retrieve a user's name), or personal information.

If you don't know whether you've seen an account before, though, how can you effectively deter bad actors? Not much of a ban if someone can create a second account and resume the same unwanted behavior.

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#42

> in which the marketplace of filters is enabled to compete Well, that's a nice thought, but the goal of deplatforming is to remove somebody entirely. Nobody was forced to follow Trump on twitter - he had tens of millions of voluntary followers. If your goal is to get rid of Donald Trump, you have to centralize the decision.

This isn't exactly right. Part of the debate was that Twitter is the platform and the platform should not censor. This left Trump without any authoritative criticism other than the sea of response tweets.

In a decentralized systems, you would have many platform providers, many decentralized features and also many filters. In a decentralized system, the filtering/curating holds less ethical baggage (ie just choose another filter you like more!). Curators are free to curate more heavily.

If there was one single email platform, every spam marking would be a political and ethical hill to die on. Instead its a non-issue.

Re: Protocols, Not Platforms: A Technological Approach to Free Speech (2019)

#43

It's still so bizarre to me to see techno-libertarians act like a few extremely popular social media platforms run by private companies is some kind of government, and that their first amendment rights are somehow under attack.

While I agree that private companies can do what they like, I am growing more concerned that we are being increasingly funneled into platforms that inevitably begin the "disneyfication" process once ad revenues are involved.

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"After a decade or so of the general sentiment being in favor of the internet and social media as a way to enable more speech and improve the marketplace of ideas, in the last few years the view has shifted dramatically—now it seems that almost no one is happy." 10 or 15 years ago people looked at web 1.0, saw many good communities and valuable conversations and said "we need to protect free speech". Today people loo…

The left wing is still not wanting to rise up against censorship because they believe it's still benefiting them, since BigTech (+M5M) is their leftist ally...for now. What they need to realize is that once you give Tyrannical Control over to your leaders (governments, or BigTech censors), because you consider them benevolent today, it's foolish because they won't be benevolent forever. Our founding fathers knew powe…

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Re: Protocols, Not Platforms: A Technological Approach to Free Speech (2019)

#45

> in which the marketplace of filters is enabled to compete Well, that's a nice thought, but the goal of deplatforming is to remove somebody entirely. Nobody was forced to follow Trump on twitter - he had tens of millions of voluntary followers. If your goal is to get rid of Donald Trump, you have to centralize the decision.

It's worth separating two goals

1. I don't want to hear Donald Trump, and I don't want to associate with anyone who likes him, or hear their ideas in my feed: this is solvable by distributed systems like Mastodon where node operators can just blacklist the Trump-aligned servers, and apply rules on their own.

2. I want Donald Trump to be silenced and not be able to say dangerous inflammatory things that rile his supporters up into violent attacks on democratic processes: this is going to require a centralized decision and really probably would work best if it was a law.

Deplatforming can partially work by demanding all reasonable node operators block the person. But then you get the ones whose niche is to be a haven of scum and villainy, like Gab, and they refuse.

This may be enough, though, if it isolates awful people into inaccessible backwaters.

Re: Protocols, Not Platforms: A Technological Approach to Free Speech (2019)

#46
post #32

I am getting really sick of these articles. NO: building protocols or decentralized networks, or anything really isn't going to solve the hate-speech/censorship problem. This. Is. A. Culture. Problem. The hate-speech/censorship problem exists everywhere. If you can publish somewhere, you can publish hate/spam. And if there is hate and/or spam, you need to censor. That's it. The very fact of publishing is the problem.…

Not defining terms and making huge assumptions is vital if you want to offer a comment like this.

Re: Protocols, Not Platforms: A Technological Approach to Free Speech (2019)

#47

You can tell this article is well over a year old, because it doesn't mention the words Fediverse, ActivityPub, Mastodon (or Quanta.wiki!) It was summer of 2019 when the vast majority of those who are most 'plugged in' realized we're going to need a new censorship-resistant web, after the Vox Adpocolypse and other totalitarian and dictatorial over-reach by BigTech, which has been escalating steadily since then, culmi…

>Point of Fact: 68% of voters had never heard of the Hunter Laptop on election day. Do you have a source for that? I'm interested to read more about that.

I've never heard of it before now.

Re: Protocols, Not Platforms: A Technological Approach to Free Speech (2019)

#48

You can tell this article is well over a year old, because it doesn't mention the words Fediverse, ActivityPub, Mastodon (or Quanta.wiki!) It was summer of 2019 when the vast majority of those who are most 'plugged in' realized we're going to need a new censorship-resistant web, after the Vox Adpocolypse and other totalitarian and dictatorial over-reach by BigTech, which has been escalating steadily since then, culmi…

> Point of Fact: 68% of voters had never heard of the Hunter Laptop on election day.

Point of fact: that’s bullshit.

https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/20...

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At the final presidential debate Donald Trump tried to land a blow on Democratic rival Joe Biden by suggesting that purported evidence from a laptop computer links him to alleged corrupt business dealings by his son, Hunter Biden.

[...] the results of a new Yahoo News/YouGov poll (conducted Oct 23-25) highlight the extent to which it has cut through to the voting public. More than three quarters (77%) of registered voters say they have heard at least a little about the story, with four in ten (39%) saying they had heard “a lot”.

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Re: Protocols, Not Platforms: A Technological Approach to Free Speech (2019)

#49
I always thought Google missed a perfect opportunity when they released Google+, they should have created a new open protocol for social media instead of another platform, something like RSS feeds for blogs. Then people could host their "pages" anywhere they want and still own their own data. The protocol would allow the aggregation of comments, likes etc. Google has a vested interest in keeping the web open to protect their indexing/search business and they have the industry weight to force new standards. Instead of course they opted to create another platform...
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