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Re: Twitter acquires Revue

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Post by offtop5 »

pembrook wrote: post #23

> Starting today, we’re making Revue’s Pro features free for all accounts and lowering the paid newsletter fee to 5% ...and there goes Substack's entire business. Overall, this is great for writers however. The missing component to Substack was the discovery/social mechanism. From a strategic perspective, it's easier to bolt on newsletter sending than it is to build a new social network. So this was always a huge ris…

Not exactly. The Twitter brand isn't looking so hot right now.

I think it's the same thing with Slack, Slack only exists because Microsoft teams is made by Microsoft.

I swear to God it's mostly a placebo effect, but you're like oh yeah we're using slack we're the cool kids now. Many companies will have a single breakaway team that uses slack just to feel cool.

But if $10 a month makes a developer happier she might produce another $500 in value.

Re: Twitter acquires Revue

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Post by danielscrubs »

andrew_ wrote: post #21

As someone who moved away from Twitter, the last thing I need in my life is another Twitter-owned property. The politics of the last month aside, Twitter is a foul, trite, snide place where the worst of us are trumpeted to the loudest voice and widest audience. The negativity and incentive to waste hours and focus are pervasive in every community I've participated in. Of course, YMMV. Despite my best efforts, I was u…

I like it but I have a policy to unfollow if they start to tweet about anything they don’t work in. So a programmer that talks about politics is going to be unfollowed. Also they have to consistently be able to educate me and not just say things I agree with.

Works pretty well. Main drawback is that it’s just singular focus nerds.

A drawback is that people don’t always seem charitable in their thoughts of why I choose to unfollow.

I guess I could just as easily follow their blogs instead of Twitter though.

Re: Twitter acquires Revue

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Post by user-the-name »

siruva07 wrote: post #11
user-the-name wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An edit button does not make sense for a service like Twitter. There are way to many ways to abuse it, and any solution that tries to deal with those just ends up being equivalent to what already exists: Delete and repost.

Why does an edit button not make sense for a service like Twitter? How would it be abused? Deleting and reposting hurts and would eliminate engagement statistics. From a product experience, edited tweets, similar to Slack, could show an "(edited)" that when clicked on let's a user see the version history. That way, it can't be abused, but does allow for minor typos (e.g. https://twitter.com/sir/status/135373794972946…

Because you can completely change the content of a post after it gets traction.

Re: Twitter acquires Revue

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Post by bachmeier »

As a user of Twitter who mainly reads tweets rather than writing them, I hope this isn't just a way to make larger volumes of misinformation go viral. Obviously, that's not Twitter's intention, but they want to make money, and viral misinformation seems to be an effective strategy for making money.

The reason I raise this issue is because the important characteristic of Twitter is that others can call out the misinformation quickly. It's not perfect, of course, but it's better than a newsletter, where it's just a blob of misinformation with nobody able to call out the BS.

Re: Twitter acquires Revue

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Post by willj »

siruva07 wrote: post #11
user-the-name wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An edit button does not make sense for a service like Twitter. There are way to many ways to abuse it, and any solution that tries to deal with those just ends up being equivalent to what already exists: Delete and repost.

Why does an edit button not make sense for a service like Twitter? How would it be abused? Deleting and reposting hurts and would eliminate engagement statistics. From a product experience, edited tweets, similar to Slack, could show an "(edited)" that when clicked on let's a user see the version history. That way, it can't be abused, but does allow for minor typos (e.g. https://twitter.com/sir/status/135373794972946…

I think the lack of an edit button is helpful on a couple fronts:

- it makes authors think more before posting; if there are typos, or it isn’t exactly what they want to say, and it gains traction, they can’t fix it, so they work to make it right the first time

- Most people ignore edit histories [citation needed; based on my own experience and knowledge of others’]. As a result, if the post is edited, the conversation can get fragmented and confusing for later readers

That said, I’d love it if there were a way to see deleted tweets, at least of politicians

Re: Twitter acquires Revue

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Post by boogies »

siruva07 wrote: post #7

Excellent acquisition. Twitter will definitely compete and take marketshare from Substack with lower fees from 20% to 5%. I hope this acquisition is actually a stepping stone for Twitter to become a much better service. Twitter could absolutely become a paid service and move away from ads as its business model. No political ads to worry about. No interference with the product experience. And believe it or not, if I u…

> Imagine paying $1-3 per month for FB or Twitter. We'd no longer be the product

You’re not the product in the Fediverse, where Pleroma says you can run a small server for ~$4/month (https://pleroma.social/blog/2021/01/13/the-big-pleroma-and-f...). Or you can join someone else’s instance and donate eg. to GNU Social’s lead developer on Liberapay (https://liberapay.com/diogo/donate) or Mastodon on Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/mastodon, $1/month gives you access ironically to a Discord channel).

Re: Twitter acquires Revue

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Post by thesuitonym »

herodoturtle wrote: post #20
jawns wrote: post #12

TWEET 1/7: It's ironic that the way Twitter proposes to improve its platform for writers is to move them off Twitter proper. TWEET 2/7: Writers use Twitter begrudgingly because that's where the eyeballs are, but it is a terrible communications platform for any writing longer than a single tweet. TWEET 3/7: Microblogging is core to its brand, but I shudder whenever I see a thread marked 1 of 22. Because of the charact…

Or alternatively (in my humble opinion), they should stop trying to be what they're not (a long form blogging platform) and instead stick to what they excel at (short broadcasts that are hashtag groupable and searchable).

The problem isn't Twitter trying to be something it's not, it's that the short broadcasts that are hashtag groupable just is not a useful platform. People want long form writing platforms, but don't want to choose between Twitter, where people are, and blogging, where people aren't.

Re: Twitter acquires Revue

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Post by bachmeier »

siruva07 wrote: post #11
user-the-name wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An edit button does not make sense for a service like Twitter. There are way to many ways to abuse it, and any solution that tries to deal with those just ends up being equivalent to what already exists: Delete and repost.

Why does an edit button not make sense for a service like Twitter? How would it be abused? Deleting and reposting hurts and would eliminate engagement statistics. From a product experience, edited tweets, similar to Slack, could show an "(edited)" that when clicked on let's a user see the version history. That way, it can't be abused, but does allow for minor typos (e.g. https://twitter.com/sir/status/135373794972946…

Because rather than retweeting "I hate the KKK" you just retweeted "I support the KKK".

Re: Twitter acquires Revue

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Post by herodoturtle »

thesuitonym wrote: post #47
herodoturtle wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or alternatively (in my humble opinion), they should stop trying to be what they're not (a long form blogging platform) and instead stick to what they excel at (short broadcasts that are hashtag groupable and searchable).

The problem isn't Twitter trying to be something it's not, it's that the short broadcasts that are hashtag groupable just is not a useful platform. People want long form writing platforms, but don't want to choose between Twitter, where people are, and blogging, where people aren't.

I totally agree with this:

> People want long form writing platforms, but don't want to choose between Twitter, where people are, and blogging, where people aren't.

But this:

> short broadcasts that are hashtag groupable just is not a useful platform

I completely disagree with.

It's been proven to be a very useful platform indeed. Again, not for long form blogging, but for short to-the-point announcements that can instantly reach a wide audience (and that can be grouped with related announcements and quickly searched for) - I think it's incredibly useful.

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