What Parler Saw During the Attack on the Capitol • Hacker News Board

Re: What Parler Saw During the Attack on the Capitol

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Post by dragonwriter » Wed, Jan 20, 2021, 1:55 AM UTC

dudeithinkBLM wrote: post #40

dragonwriter wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Doesn’t exactly look worthy of losing our collective freedom of speech and right to assemble over. No one has suggested it is, so I’m not sure why you are beating that strawman.

Unfortunately it's not exactly spelled out for you like that. Can you imagine though? As seen on a hypothetical NBC Nightly News broadcast: "The government is using its influence over corporate media to shape public opinion in an effort to remove constitutionally protected rights like free speech and the right to assemble.. Now is the time to protest if you want to have any chance at keeping them" That would never ha…

> The theft of your most sacred rights will not be broadcasted to you before it happens.

I’ve seen plenty of people actively working to suppress voting rights, free speech and other free expression rights, due process rights, the right to keep and bear arms, and other rights I and/or many others view as “sacred” who openly broadcast the restrictions they want to impose on those rights and the claimed justifications for them.

Of course, if you want to argue against an occult conspiracy against rights, that’s fine, too, but its better if you provide some reason other than “If it did, you wouldn’t see it” to believe that occult conspiracy exists.

Re: What Parler Saw During the Attack on the Capitol

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Post by hajile » Wed, Jan 20, 2021, 2:19 PM UTC

heavensgateboy wrote: post #37

hajile wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of all the arguments to be had, this seems the weakest. 75M people voted for Trump. Of those, almost 80% believe the election was stolen. According to Politico, there's still 10% (higher by some other polls) of Democrats who also believe the election was not legitimate. Getting just 1% of them (the serious believers) to show up would be around 700,000 people. Most claims are under half that number. That's not a lot w…

Are you arguing that because there are hypothetically a million mobilizable supporters of Trump that the image doesn’t clearly contain deep fake crowd size expansion? Refer to the image. It is as clear as day.

I’m arguing that given the two options, actual people is probably more likely than a grand conspiracy of deep fakes.

Re: What Parler Saw During the Attack on the Capitol

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Post by heavensgateboy » Wed, Jan 20, 2021, 10:29 PM UTC

hajile wrote: post #42

heavensgateboy wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you arguing that because there are hypothetically a million mobilizable supporters of Trump that the image doesn’t clearly contain deep fake crowd size expansion? Refer to the image. It is as clear as day.

I’m arguing that given the two options, actual people is probably more likely than a grand conspiracy of deep fakes.

In this case there is clear evidence that tampering of images and video of the event has taken place. If you look at the video and many of the still images from Getty of Jan. 6th you can clearly see content-aware crowd filling alteration. This evidence does not in any way necessarily imply the existence of a grand conspiracy, nor am I making any claim supporting anything of that nature.

Re: What Parler Saw During the Attack on the Capitol

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jan 20, 2021, 10:33 PM UTC

hajile wrote: post #42

heavensgateboy wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you arguing that because there are hypothetically a million mobilizable supporters of Trump that the image doesn’t clearly contain deep fake crowd size expansion? Refer to the image. It is as clear as day.

I’m arguing that given the two options, actual people is probably more likely than a grand conspiracy of deep fakes.

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Re: What Parler Saw During the Attack on the Capitol

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Post by heavensgateboy » Wed, Jan 20, 2021, 10:34 PM UTC

hajile wrote: post #42

heavensgateboy wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you arguing that because there are hypothetically a million mobilizable supporters of Trump that the image doesn’t clearly contain deep fake crowd size expansion? Refer to the image. It is as clear as day.

I’m arguing that given the two options, actual people is probably more likely than a grand conspiracy of deep fakes.

https://postimg.cc/9w53NcVn