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Milestone: Half a million downloads for VideoLAN packages in the .NET ecosystem

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Re: Milestone: Half a million downloads for VideoLAN packages in the .NET ecosystem

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Post by jayd16 »

merb wrote: post #6
martinald wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed, and after a shakey start .NET Core is really delivering. It's trivial now to use any CI to build docker images of .NET core apps and deploy like any other docker container. Performance is great and I'm a huge fan of the big stdlib, which means less fragmentation and churn relying on packages for quite basic behaviour. The only thing I'm not entirely sure about is the recent direction of C# to add loads and lo…

> C# to add loads and loads of syntactic sugar well some is necessary. example: init-only-Setter, was impossible to do before. You could not write the same Code, without it. No matter what you did. using declarations where also necessary to increase readability. and nullable reference types also were important!

You could use an explicit private readonly field and a property getter, or even just a public readonly field. I would argue its only sugar.

Re: Milestone: Half a million downloads for VideoLAN packages in the .NET ecosystem

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Post by cpascal »

davidhyde wrote: post #3

It’s nice to see .NET get some coverage now and again. It’s not regarded as the cool kid on the block but it just continues its quiet steady climb in ergonomics and performance year on year. I find c# to be a great language to build very large corporate applications in. I’ve never spotted an instance where something has been rewritten in a different language because c# was lacking in some way. Maybe it’s because the…

At the risk of starting a language flame-war: if I were starting a new company or effort, my default choice would be .NET Core.

Performance is generally great and if you need to, there are lots of features in the language to allow you to further squeeze performance. C# is easy to pick up and has best-of-breed IDE support- you will get productive quickly. Also, you have an extremely large standard library at your disposal that is supported and dogfooded by Microsoft. Which is great because generally you do not need to install third party packages, but if you do NuGet is really easy to use.

Edit: Forgot to mention the stellar documentation provided by Microsoft.

Re: Milestone: Half a million downloads for VideoLAN packages in the .NET ecosystem

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Post by tasogare »

GiorgioG wrote: post #11
davidhyde wrote: post #3

It’s nice to see .NET get some coverage now and again. It’s not regarded as the cool kid on the block but it just continues its quiet steady climb in ergonomics and performance year on year. I find c# to be a great language to build very large corporate applications in. I’ve never spotted an instance where something has been rewritten in a different language because c# was lacking in some way. Maybe it’s because the…

For whatever it's worth, I've been a .NET developer since 2001 when I was finishing up college. I've also dabbled in Java, and some other languages here and there for one-off work and side-work projects. I haven't found anything to match C# & .NET's productivity. I gravitate towards strongly-typed languages which I know excludes a large swath of productive languages. .NET Core is fantastic. I recently bought an M1 Ma…

Similar experience here. I switched OSes a few times but I never let go C# even when the multiplatform story was subpar. Now with dotnet core (.net 5) it’s really a joy to work with everywhere (even of VS Code is no match to the real thing).

Re: Milestone: Half a million downloads for VideoLAN packages in the .NET ecosystem

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Post by moomin »

politelemon wrote: post #5
martinald wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed, and after a shakey start .NET Core is really delivering. It's trivial now to use any CI to build docker images of .NET core apps and deploy like any other docker container. Performance is great and I'm a huge fan of the big stdlib, which means less fragmentation and churn relying on packages for quite basic behaviour. The only thing I'm not entirely sure about is the recent direction of C# to add loads and lo…

I'm with you on the terseness. I've been finding myself asking people to be "clear, not clever" with usage of some of the sugar, whereas previously adopting new syntax hasn't been so much of a challenge. It's definitely a balancing act between being easy to read and causing the reader to have to context switch while reading. Most of the sugar in C# hits all the right spots though. I have no doubt that some of this ne…

I think everyone just has to accept that

if (expression is {} val)

Is the right way to code, even if it looks ugly.

Re: Milestone: Half a million downloads for VideoLAN packages in the .NET ecosystem

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Post by zerr »

GiorgioG wrote: post #11
davidhyde wrote: post #3

It’s nice to see .NET get some coverage now and again. It’s not regarded as the cool kid on the block but it just continues its quiet steady climb in ergonomics and performance year on year. I find c# to be a great language to build very large corporate applications in. I’ve never spotted an instance where something has been rewritten in a different language because c# was lacking in some way. Maybe it’s because the…

For whatever it's worth, I've been a .NET developer since 2001 when I was finishing up college. I've also dabbled in Java, and some other languages here and there for one-off work and side-work projects. I haven't found anything to match C# & .NET's productivity. I gravitate towards strongly-typed languages which I know excludes a large swath of productive languages. .NET Core is fantastic. I recently bought an M1 Ma…

Agree, when it comes to desktop development (WinForms, WPF). But once I saw some Web API stuff, there is just too much of a ceremony and boilerplate, no?

Re: Milestone: Half a million downloads for VideoLAN packages in the .NET ecosystem

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Post by jaywalk »

cpascal wrote: post #42
davidhyde wrote: post #3

It’s nice to see .NET get some coverage now and again. It’s not regarded as the cool kid on the block but it just continues its quiet steady climb in ergonomics and performance year on year. I find c# to be a great language to build very large corporate applications in. I’ve never spotted an instance where something has been rewritten in a different language because c# was lacking in some way. Maybe it’s because the…

At the risk of starting a language flame-war: if I were starting a new company or effort, my default choice would be .NET Core. Performance is generally great and if you need to, there are lots of features in the language to allow you to further squeeze performance. C# is easy to pick up and has best-of-breed IDE support- you will get productive quickly. Also, you have an extremely large standard library at your disp…

FYI it's simply called .NET now, as of the release of .NET 5. Which is the successor to .NET Core 3.1.

Re: Milestone: Half a million downloads for VideoLAN packages in the .NET ecosystem

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Post by intrasight »

cpascal wrote: post #42
davidhyde wrote: post #3

It’s nice to see .NET get some coverage now and again. It’s not regarded as the cool kid on the block but it just continues its quiet steady climb in ergonomics and performance year on year. I find c# to be a great language to build very large corporate applications in. I’ve never spotted an instance where something has been rewritten in a different language because c# was lacking in some way. Maybe it’s because the…

At the risk of starting a language flame-war: if I were starting a new company or effort, my default choice would be .NET Core. Performance is generally great and if you need to, there are lots of features in the language to allow you to further squeeze performance. C# is easy to pick up and has best-of-breed IDE support- you will get productive quickly. Also, you have an extremely large standard library at your disp…

Not a new company but rebooting an existing and am using .net. Being able to run on Google Cloud Run is awesome.

Re: Milestone: Half a million downloads for VideoLAN packages in the .NET ecosystem

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Post by cmehdy »

GiorgioG wrote: post #11
davidhyde wrote: post #3

It’s nice to see .NET get some coverage now and again. It’s not regarded as the cool kid on the block but it just continues its quiet steady climb in ergonomics and performance year on year. I find c# to be a great language to build very large corporate applications in. I’ve never spotted an instance where something has been rewritten in a different language because c# was lacking in some way. Maybe it’s because the…

For whatever it's worth, I've been a .NET developer since 2001 when I was finishing up college. I've also dabbled in Java, and some other languages here and there for one-off work and side-work projects. I haven't found anything to match C# & .NET's productivity. I gravitate towards strongly-typed languages which I know excludes a large swath of productive languages. .NET Core is fantastic. I recently bought an M1 Ma…

I don't think there's hatred for the ecosystem, it's just one that you don't get to see unless you're exposed to it by chance or pushed into it for a specific reason.

.NET is in the corporate world but you'll have a harder time finding a .NET-related job if you don't already know stuff about it.

Since I don't currently use windows and I don't casually want to build a corporate type of software on another system in my free time (I'd much rather fold some origami, I'm likely one of the people that aren't called "passionate" about dev), I didn't get to be exposed to it easily - unlike "typical" web and mobile-related languages for example (Java, Obj-C/Swift, JS). Some of it might have been shown when I was a student (Java), and other things are just requirements of the times (I want to try making a mobile app -> either web or native languages). Didn't see .NET at university, and early jobs didn't involve that, so now it feels like a missed train somehow.

Is it worth focusing on when you're not already living in that ecosystem and you're on your own?

Re: Milestone: Half a million downloads for VideoLAN packages in the .NET ecosystem

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Post by boromi »

For an outsider going on .NET's website is confusing. For one is .NET 5 the same as dotnet? Let's check out the desktop side: https://dotnet.microsoft.com/apps/desktop

I have 4 options, Xamarin, UWP, Winforms, WPF. As non-Windows dev, which option is going to be my best options with the best support in the future? How do these relate to WinUI? Also, what's project Reunion https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/apps/project-reunio... ?

Let's not forget react-native-for-windows. Where does this fit into the above scheme?

Re: Milestone: Half a million downloads for VideoLAN packages in the .NET ecosystem

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Post by cfn »

boromi wrote: post #49

For an outsider going on .NET's website is confusing. For one is .NET 5 the same as dotnet? Let's check out the desktop side: https://dotnet.microsoft.com/apps/desktop I have 4 options, Xamarin, UWP, Winforms, WPF. As non-Windows dev, which option is going to be my best options with the best support in the future? How do these relate to WinUI? Also, what's project Reunion https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/apps…

I have been asking the same question for many years now and there isn't a simple answer. Until now Winforms and WPF seemed reasonable choices for desktop applications. Now that ARM on Windows is becoming a reality maybe Xamarin or UWP (this one is being replaced by Windows UI, or so it seems) are better options. Developing for the Windows desktop has been a guessing game for many years now.
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