Top scientists warn of 'ghastly future of mass extinction' and climate disruptio

Post by ridewinter » Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 4:48 PM UTC

listenallyall wrote: post #29

pmx wrote: post #3

> “ghastly future of mass extinction, declining health and climate-disruption upheavals” that threaten human survival because of ignorance and inaction The pandemic has taught me that humans will roundly ignore even the most glaring evidence to avoid accepting bad things are happening. I can't see how we're ever going to be able to avert climate disaster when we can't even get everyone to take basic precautions again…

> the most glaring evidence what evidence? "in 1968, Ehrlich warned of imminent population explosion and hundreds of millions of people starving to death" Wrong, wrong, wrong. Food has never been more abundant, plentiful and inexpensive https://www.wfdd.org/story/food-growing-more-plentiful-so-wh... Pardon me for ignoring what this fear monger and crackpot has to say.

Post by listenallyall » Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 5:32 PM UTC

ncmncm wrote: post #33

listenallyall wrote: post #29

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> the most glaring evidence what evidence? "in 1968, Ehrlich warned of imminent population explosion and hundreds of millions of people starving to death" Wrong, wrong, wrong. Food has never been more abundant, plentiful and inexpensive https://www.wfdd.org/story/food-growing-more-plentiful-so-wh... Pardon me for ignoring what this fear monger and crackpot has to say.

Things changed in direct response to the warning. That is exactly how it is supposed to go. People who don't know insist too that Y2K was a big nothing, but it was nothing only because of $billions spent to ensure that it would be. People who don't know say the same about whales, acid rain and stratospheric ozone. Same thing: global effort, crisis reduced, although further effort needed. 2038 still looms, but much ha…

Post by donkeyd » Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 6:42 PM UTC

cryptica wrote: post #15

donkeyd wrote: post #9

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That's weird, because all the places I've traveled (in both US and EU) have had a clear rise in average temperature in the last 3 decades. The country I live in has had the average temperature steadily rise by a full degree over the last 30 years. Which is visible in changes in flora and fauna and extreme weather. Really makes me wonder where you get your data.

There were some unusual 'hottest on record' last year in the summer in some parts of Europe. But also there were a lot of 'coldest on record' in other places like the US and in Russia during the winter so it doesn't really mean much... This is bound to happen somewhere every year but you need to look at averages and try different years.

Post by TheCapeGreek » Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 6:51 PM UTC

cryptica wrote: post #15

donkeyd wrote: post #9

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That's weird, because all the places I've traveled (in both US and EU) have had a clear rise in average temperature in the last 3 decades. The country I live in has had the average temperature steadily rise by a full degree over the last 30 years. Which is visible in changes in flora and fauna and extreme weather. Really makes me wonder where you get your data.

There were some unusual 'hottest on record' last year in the summer in some parts of Europe. But also there were a lot of 'coldest on record' in other places like the US and in Russia during the winter so it doesn't really mean much... This is bound to happen somewhere every year but you need to look at averages and try different years.

Post by robbyking » Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 8:30 PM UTC

oakpond wrote: post #17

pmx wrote: post #3

> “ghastly future of mass extinction, declining health and climate-disruption upheavals” that threaten human survival because of ignorance and inaction The pandemic has taught me that humans will roundly ignore even the most glaring evidence to avoid accepting bad things are happening. I can't see how we're ever going to be able to avert climate disaster when we can't even get everyone to take basic precautions again…

Some nations are handling the pandemic a lot more effectively than others. Evidently it's possible to do something right. Also, these guys are arguing that population growth and high levels of consumption in wealthy nations are the key factors. Not even everybody has to do something.