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London will be overwhelmed by Covid in a fortnight says leaked NHS briefing

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Here is a video filmed in London this Christmas: https://youtu.be/Yz7wJZln6Kw

Plenty of people outside. In fact, I would call it lightly crowded, although less than other years. Many people don’t wear masks. It’s not a surprise that transmission has increased.

Nevertheless, London looked absolutely beautiful. Not sure if this was worth the risks though.

Re: London will be overwhelmed by Covid in a fortnight says leaked NHS briefing

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Here is a video filmed in London this Christmas: https://youtu.be/Yz7wJZln6Kw Plenty of people outside. In fact, I would call it lightly crowded, although less than other years. Many people don’t wear masks. It’s not a surprise that transmission has increased. Nevertheless, London looked absolutely beautiful. Not sure if this was worth the risks though.

What makes you unsure of the risk was worth it?

Re: London will be overwhelmed by Covid in a fortnight says leaked NHS briefing

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Even bigger news is that as of yesterday there were just 46 free ICU beds (out of 1300+) in the whole London

What’s the status of nightingale? In use or not?

The big problem with the nightingale hospitals is that there were no staff to run them, and hospitals are understaffed as it is with people of sick or isolating due to the governments approach of vaccinating their voters first ahead of medical staff.

Even if they were used in the first wave it was in the expectation that any hospitals sending patients there would also send staff to look after them, which was never realistic.

You can hire a hall and stick a bed in it, but if there’s no one to look after the sick person in it they don’t have much of a chance.

Re: London will be overwhelmed by Covid in a fortnight says leaked NHS briefing

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3478 people died from COVID in the US yesterday. https://covidtracking.com/data/charts/us-daily-deaths

~1700 people per day die of heart disease in America and have done so for decades. I think we should shut down the economy until we can get everyone's heart healthy.

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I believe certain hospitals are already at the stage of queuing ambulances outside and are breaching the four hour wait times. This is a consequence of loosening the lockdown for Christmas.

The lockdown was tightened for Christmas. [1] 1: https://nypost.com/2020/12/20/londons-covid-19-christmas-loc... EDIT: It's weird that people don't believe me. Here is a BBC article talking about the Tier 4 lockdown that occurred right before Christmas: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55380644 From the article: "Millions of people across England have been banned from meeting friends and family indoors ov…

Where I live in North London, there was a testing centre for people that were not showing any symptoms. Before Christmas (and after the Tier 4 restrictions were introduced) there was a huge queue of people without symptoms that were very interested in finding out whether they had Coronavirus.

I found it quite strange, since if you were staying at home and had zero symptoms, why would they need a test? However, somebody let slip that they were getting tested in order to get confidence travelling home to visit their family... Therefore, while people were locked-down, I think many worked around this.

Re: London will be overwhelmed by Covid in a fortnight says leaked NHS briefing

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

~1700 people per day die of heart disease in America and have done so for decades. I think we should shut down the economy until we can get everyone's heart healthy.

You’re right, this is a massive issue and should be addressed as a public health emergency. Fortunately isn’t not contagious and so the solutions to that issue can be different from the solutions we apply to Covid.

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Re: London will be overwhelmed by Covid in a fortnight says leaked NHS briefing

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When did we switch the emphasis from tracking deaths, to tracking infections?

> When did we switch the emphasis from tracking deaths, to tracking infections?

Never, infections have always been a foucs of tracking because infections lead hospitalizations lead deaths (and hospitalizations have second-order impacts on mortality from other causes when they reach a critical level, even beyond direct COVID deaths.)

If you only focus on deaths, you are weeks behind the curve in reacting.

Re: London will be overwhelmed by Covid in a fortnight says leaked NHS briefing

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And yet we still have idiots here in the UK saying things ranging from: * coronavirus is invented as a government power grab * the government locking down is a deliberate ploy to kill small businesses * the government should just let this run its course, it’s Just A Flu TM * hospitals are actually empty (the “proof” being people recording empty waiting rooms in outpatient departments on bank holiday weekends) * coron…

Or maybe these people will keep believing the lie, even after they die from COVID, like the Calormen at the end of CS Lewis’ The Last Battle. Everyone else will be in Heaven, and they’ll be all like, “Let me out of the hospital, corona is a lie!”

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I believe certain hospitals are already at the stage of queuing ambulances outside and are breaching the four hour wait times. This is a consequence of loosening the lockdown for Christmas.

The lockdown was tightened for Christmas. [1] 1: https://nypost.com/2020/12/20/londons-covid-19-christmas-loc... EDIT: It's weird that people don't believe me. Here is a BBC article talking about the Tier 4 lockdown that occurred right before Christmas: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55380644 From the article: "Millions of people across England have been banned from meeting friends and family indoors ov…

I think I've figured out what happened; Boris spent ages trailing "looser restrictions for Christmas" and then changed them on the 20th. However that still included "the Christmas rules allowing up to three households to meet will now be limited to Christmas Day only".

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/prime-ministers-state...

The last minute changes are confusing to all of us. You can help by not citing anti-sources like the NY Post.

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