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Do not let your domain expire with Google Apps

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Re: Do not let your domain expire with Google Apps

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Post by jacques_chester »

benreyes wrote: post #6
DenisM wrote: post #3

You have likely broken the law by accessing that Amazon account which was not yours, and now you blog about it. It might be a good idea to talk to a lawyer. not a legal advice

I accessed the person(s) amazon account to find contact information. They are now fully aware that I accessed the account as I left a voicemail. I offered full access to the GMAIL account and gave the password on the Amazon account so it could be shut it down and alert amazon who could also further do a full audit of what I accessed. There does not seem to be any alarming distress in the situation. It has been over 2…

The philosophical nature of criminal law in common law countries is that offences against a person are offences against the Crown or People (depending on your jurisdiction).

The practical outcome is that the Crown or People can choose to independently charge you of a crime, regardless of what the actual 'victim' wants.

Be careful.

Of course, IANAL, TINLA.

Re: Do not let your domain expire with Google Apps

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Post by jacques_chester »

JeremyBanks wrote: post #37
ditojim wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

so someone can give legal advice, but say it isn't legal advice, and that makes it not legal advice?

IANAL, but I think that in this context "legal advice" has a meaning beyond the English one. It is also used to indicate an attorney-client relationship and the associated liability and confidentiality. So someone can give legal advice (English), but say it isn't legal advice (Legalese) and that makes it not legal advice (Legalese).

The main reason for IANAL, TINLA is that lawyers have attorney's immunity, and joe shmoe does not. If somebody relies on my opinion as if it is legal advice and from the circumstances it looks like legal advice, I can be in deep poop if the advice was wrong.

Re: Do not let your domain expire with Google Apps

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Post by a3_nm »

Notice that you will have the same kind of trouble if you're using OpenID on your own domain and let it expire...

(An attacker could buy the domain name and set up a page at your OpenID URL which would delegate the OpenID to something under their control.)

Re: Do not let your domain expire with Google Apps

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Post by larrys »

DenisM wrote: post #3

You have likely broken the law by accessing that Amazon account which was not yours, and now you blog about it. It might be a good idea to talk to a lawyer. not a legal advice

Bring a law suit against someone requires, in general, damages or some loss. Not to mention a retainer. Getting a prosecutor to enforce a law when there is essentially no harm would be next to impossible. If a law was broken.

Re: Do not let your domain expire with Google Apps

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Post by larrys »

I want to point out that as a ICANN registrar not a day goes by where some tech person working on behalf of a customer will contact us and request an auth code to transfer out a domain name. Just like that. As if we will send one to anyone that asks. Later when the customer makes the request many times the domain ends up at another registrar in the name of the tech person, isp, web designer etc. who has been told they need to be able to login and make changes. The name subsequently is deleted for non-payment (customer isn't notified and invoice goes to new contact) and they loose control of their domain.

Re: Do not let your domain expire with Google Apps

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Post by pasbesoin »

pyre wrote: post #24
zacharypinter wrote: post #22

Any idea if this applies for a domain that's an alias to your primary domain? For example, if you have foo.com as your Google Apps domain, and you have foo.us as an extra domain that was aliased but then expired, does that expose the foo.com Google Apps account?

If Google Apps doesn't know about foo.us, then I think that answer would be no. (Though I would confirm this with someone more knowledgeable)

I haven't used the alias feature, myself, but I believe the grand parent post is asking about a circumstance where your Google Apps account specifically does know about and supports the second domain (as an alias).

Re: Do not let your domain expire with Google Apps

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Post by zmmmmm »

btucker wrote: post #9

Any thoughts on how Google could prevent this? Seems important they provide a way to reclaim domains.

Google has been pretty strong on encouraging users to enter a "backup" email address. At least, on 4 different gmail accounts it pestered me mercilessly until I gave it one.

Seems like if you are trying to reclaim a domain then requiring the user to verify access to their "backup" email address could be a simple step that would help a lot.

Re: Do not let your domain expire with Google Apps

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Post by zacharypinter »

pasbesoin wrote: post #46
pyre wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Google Apps doesn't know about foo.us, then I think that answer would be no. (Though I would confirm this with someone more knowledgeable)

I haven't used the alias feature, myself, but I believe the grand parent post is asking about a circumstance where your Google Apps account specifically does know about and supports the second domain (as an alias).

Exactly. Thanks for clarifying :)

Re: Do not let your domain expire with Google Apps

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Post by mtogo »

jacques_chester wrote: post #42
JeremyBanks wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IANAL, but I think that in this context "legal advice" has a meaning beyond the English one. It is also used to indicate an attorney-client relationship and the associated liability and confidentiality. So someone can give legal advice (English), but say it isn't legal advice (Legalese) and that makes it not legal advice (Legalese).

The main reason for IANAL, TINLA is that lawyers have attorney's immunity, and joe shmoe does not. If somebody relies on my opinion as if it is legal advice and from the circumstances it looks like legal advice, I can be in deep poop if the advice was wrong.

You can say shit on the internet.

Re: Do not let your domain expire with Google Apps

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Post by DenisM »

ditojim wrote: post #33
JeremyBanks wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without the disclaimer, in some jurisdictions the post could be interpreted as unauthorized or inappropriate practice of law. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IANAL

so someone can give legal advice, but say it isn't legal advice, and that makes it not legal advice?

A real "legal advice" is a professional advice, as is ascertained by the board, which gave license to the person (lawyer), who is qualified to dispense such legal advice. Giving a "legal advice" when the giver is not licensed to give such advice is dangerous to public interest, and is discouraged through laws and customs.

Now, any person can give any other person an advice on legal matters, as long as the target of the advice is not fooled into thinking that he got the real certified stuff. To stay on the right side of the customs the easiest thing to do is to confess to lack of credentials and make things abundantly clear by directing the other person to the real professional after expressing your initial concern or opinion.

Now, it might seem backwards to you, and you might expect that the default would be "people talk shit all the time, so no one should listen unless the speaker actually provides credentials". This is how it works in most areas, but not all. In particular law and health are two areas where the state saw it fit to go out of the way to protect the least savvy members of society by twisting the default setting the other way around.

Obviously, this is not a legal advice on how to give legal advices, or any other matter.

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